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To: kstewskis
So, then can I attend this guy's church?? :)

NO. The Vatican and the traditionalists have been united for once on the issue of Iraq. The priest who said the Latin Mass every day on Mel Gibson's set, Fr. Stephen Somerville, works with the SSPX and they were very vocal in their opposition to the war.

What this article tells you is that opposition to US actions in Iraq is universal, crossing all nationalities and all party lines, uniting enemies across Europe and even in the US. It's strange to see Pat Buchanan and the anti-WTO hippies agreeing on something, for example. The only people supporting it are the neo-cons running the US government and stooges in the US who swallow their absurd propaganda. When the pope and Bishop Williamson agree on Iraq, then you know that your seeing a new definition of "wide-spread opposition." And it's scary to think that these people who disagree on everything else only agree on one thing: opposition to the US.

61 posted on 10/05/2003 8:13:52 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
When the pope and Bishop Williamson agree on Iraq, then you know that your seeing a new definition of "wide-spread opposition." And it's scary to think that these people who disagree on everything else only agree on one thing: opposition to the US.

Whew.

worth repeating.

62 posted on 10/05/2003 9:39:55 PM PDT by kstewskis (142 days until Lent and "The Passion" is released...and no I am NOT giving up Mel for Lent!)
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To: Maximilian
It's strange to see Pat Buchanan and the anti-WTO hippies agreeing on something, for example.

No it's not. They belong together.

"Palaeoconservatives," like leftie third-world types, consider religion to be the creations of the various "autochthonous" (or "indigenous" in leftist parlance) peoples. Both are opposed to the idea of an objective abstract universal truth in favor of "de ways of our pipples." That is why "palaeo" rhetoric concerning `Aseret HaDevarim (the Ten Commandments) and public chr*stianity never touches on the truth or falsity of the religion but rather that it is "traditional" or "the American way" or necessary for the smooth functioning of society (the pragmatic/utilitarian approach). "Palaeoconservatives" do not seem to believe in an eschaton of any kind in which the true religion is vindicated but rather that the world will simply go on and on as it is. In fact, their phrase "new world order" may be a code phrase for any post-eschaton Kingdom of G-d on earth.

I am not the first or only person to recognize that the far left and far right merge on local cultural autonomy and on "alternative spiritualities." The PLO is the most obvious example of left/right convergence on "national liberation," but an often overlooked other example is the Irish and other Celtic nationalist movements.

Since "palaeoconservatives" oppose the idea of an objective G-d and objective Truth that applies to all mankind they instinctively oppose Zionism as an "anti-nationalist" nationalism--ie, the existence of a Jewish State in the ancient Biblical homeland threatens their "localist," subjectivist, and pluralist worldview.

There is an interesting essay on "Southern religion" at the Leage of the South website that defines religion as what binds the people of a culture together (rather than what binds man to G-d) and seems to suggest that "true Southerners," beling "palaeos," are non-missionary and don't care what other people believe or how they live. Duh.

64 posted on 10/06/2003 6:05:04 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ("Palaeoconservatives" are national relativists.)
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