[loftyheights]

With much respect, let me say that living a "purpose-driven" life is law-oriented, as is living a God-centered one. Before you get any ideas, "Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! We establish it."(Romans 3:31) I ask, what purpose and what God? Plus, why the insistence on what we must do, when the works of the Law won't save anyone, and when Jesus came to forgive ungodly people like me? The main problem I have with the Warrens and the Osteins of the world is their lack of concern for doctrine and in some cases their outright denial of basic, Christian doctrines, like baptism. As for your "15,000 people...he must be doing something right" comment, just think about it logically. Just because a whole bunch of people go to a church doesn't make it faithful. Just a few thoughts.

[BooBoo1000]

I don't know about Joel, but Mr. Warren's Church requires Baptism by complete immersion, no exceptions. As far as Purpose Driven Life is concerned, it is all bases on faith.

[MEGoody]

"Plus, why the insistence on what we must do, when the works of the Law won't save anyone, and when Jesus came to forgive ungodly people like me?"

Amen and amen.

Jesus said, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments."

Sometimes, people get hung up on law keeping and think that those who put their faith completely in Christ for salvation do nothing for the Lord. They are wrong.

[Chaguito]

Have you read Purpose Driven Life? It is not law-driven and simply challenges people to live their faith among believers and unbelievers. Very straightforward, as are all the biblical calls to the same life.

Have you looked at Purpose Driven web site to see the rationale behind 40 Days of Purpose? "Baptism" holds a most prominent place.

[aCookieMomster]

You have no idea what you are saying. Saddleback, Warren's church, has regular baptisms where those being baptized have an opportunity to share their faith.