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To: royalcello
The fact that the continuation of the Bourbon male line in the Spanish royal family is doubtful is one reason why I'm inclined to support Henri, Count of Paris (who is definitely descended in the male line from Louis XIII) rather than Luis Alfonso, Duke of Anjou (Juan Carlos's cousin) as claimant to the French throne.

Which book are you reading?

"The Spanish Bourbons" by John D. Bergamini.

I've never really paid close attention to present day dynastic claims disputes and I'll have to get to the end of the book to see what the Spanish Carlist pretenders are doing right now. Up until Alfonso XII, the Carlist line appears to have kept the Bourbon Y chromosome. With Alfonso XII, there is doubt as to whether his father was actually the allegedly gay Francisco of Asis, the Bourbon first cousin of Isabell II. But even if he was, there is still a question as to whether Francisco of Asis' father, the Infante Francisco, was the illegitimate son of Manuel Godoy and Queen Maria Luisa, wife of the cuckolded Carlos IV.

In Goya's "Family of Carlos IV", the Infante Francisco, alleged illigitimate son of Manual Godoy, is the male child holding Queen Maria Luisa's left hand. The future Fernando VII, who produced no male heirs and was the father of the sexually adventurous future Queen Isabel II who marrried her uncle Fransico's allegedly gay son, is the teenager dressed in blue on the left hand side and his brother, the Infante Carlos, is the younger boy behind him.

Unless I missed something in prior chapters, by the 1870's when the Bourbon Spanish throne was restored in the person of Alfonso XII, Isabel II's son, only the descendants of the Infante Carlos, the son of King Carlos IV, could unquestionably claim male descent directly from Louis XIV.


54 posted on 12/08/2003 8:10:27 AM PST by Polybius
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To: Polybius
Yes, the paternity of the elder Infante Francisco was also in doubt. Aronson's book goes over much of the same material.

The original Carlist line died out in 1936. When this happened, some Carlists transferred their allegiance to the exiled King Alfonso XIII, and others backed the Bourbon-Parma family, who are unquestionably descended in the male line from Carlos III's younger brother Felipe (1720-1765) and therefore from Louis XIV. The current head of the Bourbon-Parma family is Prince Carlos Hugo, 63, formerly married to Princess Irene of the Netherlands. In the 1960s there was speculation that Franco might nominate him to the Spanish throne, but he settled on Alfonso XIII's grandson Juan Carlos instead.

Thanks for posting that picture.
56 posted on 12/08/2003 11:55:35 AM PST by royalcello
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