(Minnesota) Shooting Puts Focus on Gun Shows

St. Paul Pioneer Press ^ | 10/2/03 | Amy Mayron

[Bob]

Thanks for the clarifications regarding antique firearms. I'm not familiar with them at all as my post clearly indicated. Sorry for passing on misinformation.

[Travis McGee]

Yep, the 'rats are pulling out all the stops. I expect to see the most massive vote rigging in history next year.

[brbethke]

Okay. Anything made before 1898. Got it. I should have known that; I once saved up enough to buy a certain 1880's Colt SAA I coveted, but decided to buy a new car instead.

I find B(ii) an interesting exception: what exactly does "not readily in the ordinary channels of commercial trade" mean? Does the Old Western Scrounger qualify as an ordinary channel? Almost anything is shootable if you have a source of adaptable brass and the right forming dies. They even make replacement center-fire blocks for rimfire Spencers and Henrys. Does forming your own .50-70 brass or installing a replacement block constitute a redesign under B(i)?

(I suspect that for practical purposes, the law is whatever the ATF decides to enforce this week.)

[brbethke]

Okay. Anything made before 1898. Got it. I should have known that; I once saved up enough to buy a certain 1880's Colt SAA I coveted, but decided to buy a new car instead.

I find B(ii) an interesting exception: what exactly does "not readily in the ordinary channels of commercial trade" mean? Does the Old Western Scrounger qualify as an ordinary channel? Almost anything is shootable if you have a source of adaptable brass and the right forming dies. They even make replacement center-fire blocks for rimfire Spencers and Henrys. Does forming your own .50-70 brass or installing a replacement block constitute a redesign under B(i)?

(I suspect that for practical purposes, the law is whatever the ATF decides to enforce this week.)

[brbethke]

Okay. Anything made before 1898. Got it. I should have known that; I once saved up enough to buy a certain 1880's Colt SAA I coveted, but decided to buy a new car instead.

I find B(ii) an interesting exception: what exactly does "not readily in the ordinary channels of commercial trade" mean? Does the Old Western Scrounger qualify as an ordinary channel? Almost anything is shootable if you have a source of adaptable brass and the right forming dies. They even make replacement center-fire blocks for rimfire Spencers and Henrys. Does forming your own .50-70 brass or installing a replacement block constitute a redesign under B(i)?

(I suspect that for practical purposes, the law is whatever the ATF decides to enforce this week.)

[brbethke]

Okay. Anything made before 1898. Got it. I should have known that; I once saved up enough to buy a certain 1880's Colt SAA I coveted, but decided to buy a new car instead.

I find B(ii) an interesting exception: what exactly does "not readily in the ordinary channels of commercial trade" mean? Does the Old Western Scrounger qualify as an ordinary channel? Almost anything is shootable if you have a source of adaptable brass and the right forming dies. They even make replacement center-fire blocks for rimfire Spencers and Henrys. Does forming your own .50-70 brass or installing a replacement block constitute a redesign under B(i)?

(I suspect that for practical purposes, the law is whatever the ATF decides to enforce this week.)

[brbethke]

Okay. Anything made before 1898. Got it. I should have known that; I once saved up enough to buy a certain 1880's Colt SAA I coveted, but decided to buy a new car instead.

I find B(ii) an interesting exception: what exactly does "not readily in the ordinary channels of commercial trade" mean? Does the Old Western Scrounger qualify as an ordinary channel? Almost anything is shootable if you have a source of adaptable brass and the right forming dies. They even make replacement center-fire blocks for rimfire Spencers and Henrys. Does forming your own .50-70 brass or installing a replacement block constitute a redesign under B(i)?

[Kadric]

"(I suspect that for practical purposes, the law is whatever the ATF decides to enforce this week.)"

That pretty much sums it up as far as readily available is concerned. We have seen this with the deffintion of handgun ammo. I believe that Olimpic planned on making a pistol in 7.62x39 they may or may not have made the prototype (I don't remember for sure but believe they did make one, but never marketed it) so the BATF declared 7.62x39 a pistol caliber and banned a lot of surplus(steel core) from the market.

Since the frame/receiver are considered the firearm if it was manufactured prior 1899 you would be safe. The redisigned is tied to replicas of firearms described in subparagraph (A), it would not come into play on original firearms.

[Eastbound]

You mean like,

Dumbocrats: 'Hullo, Chicago? Hey, you'se guys. We need three truckloads of hanging chads and another five million phantom ballots out here pronto. And don't forget to update the cemetery lists -- And don't screw up like you did in Florida, ya hear?

and/or

'Hullo, NES? The check is in the mail. You know what to do.'

[brbethke]

Yikes! Sorry about this mess! I tried to post a reply and kept getting a server error, so I kept re-trying. Mea culpa!

Admin/Moderator: is it possible to delete posts 44 to 47?

[Trailerpark Badass]

The antique revolver Susan Berkovitz allegedly used Monday to kill her cousin and wound a lawyer was purchased at a gun show, where she didn't need a permit to buy it.

Coupla questions: do you need a "permit" to buy a handgun in MN? Also, would this lady have been denied because of something in the NICS check?

[brbethke]

I'm not sure of the current regs. It used to be that if you were buying from an FFL licensed dealer, you needed either a Permit to Purchase, a Permit to Carry, or else had a 5-day waiting period. There was some talk of the NICS check replacing the waiting period, but I don't know if it did.

The reports so far indicate she would not have been rejected by NICS, because despite her long history of mental problems, she'd never been committed.

If you're buying from a private party, of course, the only limits are the ethics of the seller.

[Trailerpark Badass]

Thanks for the info.

[Travis McGee]

They just need a few old timer operatives to show them how to spike stacks of cards down the democrat candidate hole, invalidating all opposition cards, and leaving lots of "dimples" and hanging chads.

The touch-screen tampering will require a new generation of young hackers to cause the "touches" to go 'rat.

[archy]

If you've got a criminal background and you've been adjudicated mentally ill, go to a gun show," Skoglund said. "They don't check, unless you're a licensed firearm dealer selling there."

Or buy one from a crooked cop or police employee. Of course they want all sales going through dealers; that'll leave them with a near-monopoly on under-the-table sales.

Just like a lot of them do with narcotics.

-archy-/-

[archy]

I'll be amazed if it's still legal in ten years to privately sell a firearm, without filling out reams of state and federal paperwork, and getting government permission.

Or, alternately, neither would it surprise me if there's a bounty for those who promoted and enforced such schemes:

*You do any good this season?*

*Yep! Got two, one state, one federal. Here's their ears, fingerprints and IDs....*

*Kewl! Give ya an M4 SOPMOD with an M203 and an MP5SD for 'em....*

-archy-/-

[brbethke]

Ooh, cold!

[Travis McGee]

I like the way you think.