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To: Plutarch
You mean like the mess in inner cities, where drugs are illegal? And the mess in inner cities, where guns are also illegal? That mess?

If, hypothetically, the situation unfolds exactly as you have predicted, and the mess never comes, will you have the integrity to admit that you are wrong - in much the same way that the gun grabbers, who predicted time and time again that there would be blood in the streets if shall-issue were adopted, LACK the integrity to admit they were wrong?
16 posted on 10/01/2003 1:36:02 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: coloradan
I know a cop who works in an inner city area. He says (and swears that other cops quietly agree with him) that the only way to end drug *violence* is to legalize them. I must admit that his argument seems persuasive to me. The violence isn't over the drugs, but over the money they're worth. Legalizing them would lower the cost to acquire drugs to almost nothing and make dealing drugs pointless. No one would bother offering them to kids because it wouldn't be worth the effort. The violence would certainly drop.

As far as adults goes, if they want to dope themselves silly, fine. Less cattle in the herd, and more available good jobs for the rest of us (since the nitwits won't be able to get or keep them). It might sound heartless, but I firmly believe adults should be responsible for their own welfare--if they can't or won't do that, it shouldn't be society's problem. I walked the proverbial white line growing up, and I assure you I'm human and don't have an "S" on my chest--I simply had good parents and role models. What's stopping other people from taking charge of their kids like my parents (and my friends' parents) did?

I'm sure there will be an argument following this talking about the "resulting mess". Let me pre-empt that by asking for specifics: what specific consequences will arise as a result? I think it's safe to say that violence won't be a problem anymore. DWI? That's already illegal, and I'm pretty sure people are driving while stoned as it is. I doubt that'll change much. About the only real consequence I can see is that parents will have to be *parents* and not rely on the government to keep bad things away from their kids. But that's why I'm a conservative and not a Marxist, after all...
18 posted on 10/01/2003 1:51:09 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: coloradan
If, hypothetically, the situation unfolds exactly as you have predicted, and the mess never comes, will you have the integrity to admit that you are wrong...?

Why sure. You don't have to look to hard to find that drugs = mess. In the U.S., through history, throughout the world. Opium was legal at first, but people started noticing problems. Governments of all types throughout the world make drugs illegal. That is why you can't point out the jursidiction in which the libertarian drug legal utopia exists.

Maybe all these different Governments just do it for the love of power. Or maybe there are good reasons, having to do with the costs with which addicts burden society.

When you come across a wall, find out why it was built before you tear it down.

(And I note that you are not disagreeing that "medicinal marijuana" is just a back door ruse for legalization of marijuana).

23 posted on 10/01/2003 1:59:08 PM PDT by Plutarch
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