[Texas_Dawg]

H1-B visa users have been at the receiving end of criticism from unemployed American professionals for taking away their jobs.

Man... how lame these people must feel. How embarrassing it would be to lose your job to some 3rd worlder because he's deemed more efficient than you, dollar for dollar. No wonder they need the government to try to ban people from competing with them.

[dirtboy]

No wonder they need the government to try to ban people from competing with them.

Shove it. The H1-B program's premise, that there is a shortage of IT workers, is no longer valid, so the program should be curtailed. If too many workers come in, it lowers the pay.

[BushisTheMan]

Not more efficient. For some, cheap labor is all that counts. Quality has gone downhill. And the American guy gets stuck cleaning up the mess they created. However, the CEO and other officers still gets their big fat bonuses for coming in under budget (but quality and extra time to clean up the crap can go to hell).

[adam_az]

Man... how lame these people must feel. How embarrassing it would be to lose your job to some 3rd worlder because he's deemed more efficient than you, dollar for dollar. No wonder they need the government to try to ban people from competing with them.

It's not dollar for dollar - often more like dollar for 50 cents.

[Bikers4Bush]

You think so? I know lots of guys who lost their jobs to the imports not because they were more efficient but because they were cheaper.

It's easy to train a foreigner to maintain a system that's been set up efficiently by a U.S. worker.

The scary part is that you agree with all the yahoos that think we need the illegals to "do the jobs no americans want to do".

[KC_Conspirator]

How embarrassing it would be to lose your job to some 3rd worlder because he's deemed more efficient than you, dollar for dollar.

No, dollar for dollar they are cheaper and easily manipulated because the company holds the key to them getting over here in the first place. If you think about it, dollar for dollar, the Mexican army is cheaper than ours, even with the bribes. Why don't we just contract out to them?

[harpseal]

Ping on or off.

[jmc813]

Might I ask, what do you do for a living?

[harpseal]

Man... how lame these people must feel. How embarrassing it would be to lose your job to some 3rd worlder because he's deemed more efficient than you, dollar for dollar. No wonder they need the government to try to ban people from competing with them.

If people want to compete in teh American Market let them immigrate to the USA without demanding special rules. I thought you were against the government picking winners and losers but no you want the government to subsidize companies with cheap labor from abroad who do not have the freedom to leave their jobs without the employer's consent or back to their native land they go. In short you are arguing for a form of slavery.

What is really lame is the companies trying to wanting a special rule by the government so they can bring in a supply of indentured servants to avoid paying a free market wage.

[Lazamataz]

Man... how lame these people must feel. How embarrassing it would be to lose your job to some 3rd worlder because he's deemed more efficient than you, dollar for dollar. No wonder they need the government to try to ban people from competing with them.

You are a fraud. I don't believe you've ever been to college, and I don't believe you are a 40k/annum stock dweeb in Manhattan.

[GOP_1900AD]

RE: Your tagline ... and the difference between the two is I am a nationalist, anti Communist, die hard American patriot where as the watermelons (Naderites) are green on the outside red on the inside, anti Western, anti American, international Communists. Could any difference be more stark? I guess when you are out there in the middle of the road with the road pizzas, everyone else is so far away that you can not longer tell the differences between unique and distinct factions. Enjoy it out there in the middle of the road, where you can get run over from both directions.

[pyx]

How embarrassing it would be to lose your job to some 3rd worlder because he's deemed more efficient than you, dollar for dollar.

I'm not convinced that efficiency is the object of this exercise. I lean towards believing the trend has more to do with quantity (costs savings) over quality (efficiency).

I do have three questions for you;
1.) What is your opinion of the lowering of the quality of life and the lowering of living standards for middle-class America in the IT sector as a result of flooding the market with "3rd worlder's", as you call them ?
2.) Do you believe that its prudent to ignore or worse, ridicule the effects of job loss on large sectors of America as has occured in the IT and manufacturing sectors ?
3.) What is your opinion of those who spent huge sums of money and expended large amounts of time and energy when they retrained after job losses within the manufacturing sector for jobs in the IT sector at the advice of economists, educators, the government, the media and business leaders ?

[Swanks]

Keep in mind two key conditions of H1-B, and how it is abused:
Must be an open position, and must be unable to find qualified candidates. Now see US Corporations violate these rules:

1999: We can't find qualified candidates for open positions, bring 'em in from India
2000: We have qualified candidates for open positions, bring 'em in anyway.
2001:We have no open positions; bring 'em in anyway, to take the filled role away from the US employee. Have the US employee train the person that takes his job

And the is what GW things is a good program. 3.3M jobs loss is not enough for this administration.

[LTCJ]

Man... how lame these people must feel. How embarrassing it would be to lose your job to some 3rd worlder because he's deemed more efficient than you, dollar for dollar. No wonder they need the government to try to ban people from competing with them.

I'm a stock broker.

LOL, Dawg. From a efficiency and cost standpoint, what's your take on restricting foreign dartboard imports?

[Oatka]

Man... how lame these people must feel. How embarrassing it would be to lose your job to some 3rd worlder because he's deemed more efficient than you, dollar for dollar. No wonder they need the government to try to ban people from competing with them.

The law was that the H1Bs must be paid at the same rate as U.S. workers. The Indians I worked with told me they were worked 60+ hours a week but the client was only billed for 40 hours. Guess which head shop the employer started using? The Indians couldn't go elsewhere as their employer held their visas.

Almost every one of these guys said they would set up their own shops in India when their gig was over, so we also trained our competition.

It will be interesting to see your reaction when your job is either outsourced or L-1'd or maybe even some illegal . . .

[tom paine 2]

If tech workers were unionized there would be blood in the streets

[taxed2death]

"dollar for dollar".

That's your problem, you simply don't understand that these workers are coming over here and undercutting what Americans should be getting paid. It's no different than scumbag illegals putting legit businesses out of business by using their advantage of NOT having to pay workmans comp, SS, insurance.

WTF do they teach you people down in the big star state?

[RobRoy]

I am one of those $100+ an hour contractors (mainframe cobol stuff) and I agree with you. If someone can do my job better and cheaper they deserve it, no matter where they are from.

The sad news is that this WILL be the end of the US as we know it - but countries come and go. When both physical and mental jobs can be shipped overseas, there is nothing left for the millions of americans who earn their money by what could be called a "JOB," other than significantly lower pay. Entrepreneurs will do just fine - those that make it.

[RJS1950]

I'll second the "SHOVE IT", and if you need explicit instructions I'll send them to you. This program has never had anything to do with efficiency, it has to do with H1B's working dirt cheap and obviously there has never been a real shortage of qualified american workers in these fields, or they would not be laying them off in favor of H1B's. And by the way, I have not been displaced by any foreign worker.

[Orbiting_Rosie's_Head]

How embarrassing it would be to lose your job to some 3rd worlder because he's deemed more efficient than you

More efficient? Hardly. Let's try: bound to his job by law, we can treat him any damned way we please, and he can't say a word, because if he does we'll revoke his visa and send him packing back to India.... So much for free markets. If socialist intervention sucks, why do you favor it?

[Klickitat]

I used to work for a company that hired many h1-b's. They were all paid much less, knew it, and resented it. They also were expected to work much more than a 40 hour week (this was true of all the s/w engineers). The company had promised to help them get green cards but would drag out the process. I remember one chinese woman who was trying desperately to get them to help her get a green card before she got laid off. She even brought it up in a staff meeting. They never did.

As for quality, all h1-b's I knew did very good work, and worked hard. But, they didn't do any better, or work any harder than the Americans. I still think it's about the bottom line. Companies can pay less, expect more, and take employees for granted who are here at their whim.