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1 posted on 09/30/2003 9:57:29 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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2 posted on 09/30/2003 10:03:42 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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3 posted on 09/30/2003 10:28:27 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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truth.

It's a wonderful thing.
4 posted on 09/30/2003 10:29:48 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (A proud member of the McClintock Militia)
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To: nickcarraway
why does the state Republican party exist at all? Why doesn't it just merge with the California Democrats? Then it could win every election.

This idea will have obvious appeal for some people around here.
BUMP!

6 posted on 09/30/2003 10:34:41 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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An ordinary Republican, hearing House's comment, can reasonably conclude that the party stands for nothing except winning. In which case, why does the state Republican party exist at all? Why doesn't it just merge with the California Democrats? Then it could win every election.

That's what I've been wondering.

If Schwarzenegger wins and governs like a Kennedy liberal -- a good bet -- McClintock could reemerge as his Republican primary opponent in 2006.

Yeah, and if for some reason Arnold thought he wouldn't get the nod, he could just switch to the dems where he belongs. An automatic victory for both of them. (the dems and Arnold.)

7 posted on 09/30/2003 10:36:08 PM PDT by doingtherightthing
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A party that seeks victory for the sake of its principles can renew itself. But a party that abandons its principles for the sake of victory is hopelessly lost. One longtime California GOP activist, who has watched the party progressively lose its "brain and spine," likens the liberalization of the state party to the "Stockholm syndrome." California Republican leaders identify with their liberal captors while they view with hostility Republican rescuers like Tom McClintock.

WOW!!! This baby is bookmarked.
George Neumayr can really write (and THINK).

8 posted on 09/30/2003 10:37:45 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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In which case, why does the state Republican party exist at all? Why doesn't it just merge with the California Democrats?

If they did, the Conservatives would no longer be part of a major party unless they went along with the rest of the GOP.

10 posted on 09/30/2003 10:42:54 PM PDT by Consort
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Since we lack the conviction and courage to beat the Democrats on principle, we will join them and endorse a de facto Democrat.

< -snip- >

The Richard Riordans and Gerry Parskys of the party call on conservatives to "be team players," though liberal Republicans rarely behave like team players when conservatives are running. McClintock will "pay a price" for remaining in the race, Republican leaders warn. What price will they pay for gutting the party of its principles?

Electoral revolt, starting with the Save Our License referendum next March.


12 posted on 09/30/2003 10:50:38 PM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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This essay applies equally well to the national-level Republicrat Party which, once in power, has done nothing to even slow, much less reverse, the rapid expansion of a bigger, dumber, more expensive and more obnoxious government.
13 posted on 09/30/2003 10:51:30 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Dick Gephardt. Before he dicks you.)
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The "McClintock can't win" line was bogus from the start. The recent USA Today poll shows that McClintock would win easily in a race against Cruz Bustamante. What the Republicans were really saying was not that McClintock can't win but that he shouldn't win. "McClintock scares the hell out of the Republican establishment, because he represents fundamental change and they don't want that,"

This makes me wonder just how many enablers from the liberal California "Republican establishment" there are frequenting some of these threads? It makes sense for these elites to want a "victory" at any cost - - they get the cushy offices and the staffs and the cars and all the perks of power and priveledge. What do they care who the sugar daddy is?

But it seems more than a little suspicious that there are so many alleged freepers who are ready, willing, and able to cave on nearly every basic conservative principle.

14 posted on 09/30/2003 10:52:45 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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Hi, nopardons.

I wanted to ping you on this thread because I respect your opinion, If you have a chance to check this out, please let me know what you think.

Regards,
LH
17 posted on 09/30/2003 11:01:18 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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Bump.
18 posted on 09/30/2003 11:01:53 PM PDT by ForOurFuture (Both could beat Bustamante. Only one is conservative.)
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To: Jim Robinson
This is an amazing piece, in my opinion.
19 posted on 09/30/2003 11:04:04 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: CheneyChick
Hello, CC

Sorry about being grumpy at you on the other thread.
You have always been a good and friendly freeper.

Anyways, I thought this piece here offered a pretty blunt analysis of the California GOP.
I hope you will have a chance to read it and comment.

Regards,
LH
22 posted on 09/30/2003 11:11:52 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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PING!

You folks will really enjoy this one.
24 posted on 09/30/2003 11:40:22 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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bttt
25 posted on 09/30/2003 11:45:31 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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George Neumayr is correct we shouldn't abandon our principles. Arnold told us at the party convention he is a conservative. Now he has to govern like one and if he doesn't - well he won't get another chance in 2006. The truth is I love Tom but he's not going to win. We have to go with the best candidate at this point who can revitalize the Republican Party in California. Right now we have one mission: to terminate the liberals in California.
26 posted on 09/30/2003 11:51:07 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Victory is not the end, but the means to the end, which is the enactment of the party's platform.

How can you enact the party's platform without winning elections? I've never understood this mentality.

27 posted on 10/01/2003 12:00:06 AM PDT by Penner
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To: ambrose
PING!!!
You will enjoy this one!
37 posted on 10/01/2003 12:13:05 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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bttt
41 posted on 10/01/2003 10:38:41 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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