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To: pollywog; nopardons; CheneyChick
"I am really getting the feeling that the ARNOLD SUPPORTERS don't WANT a conservative"


No polly, we just don't want Tom.
We don't like him. And it's become quite personal. He and his followers with their "baby killers" crapola pretty much sealed his fate.

Holier than thou arrogance turns some folks off.
turns others on... maybe that's you.
I say PLEASE vote your conscience, but TOM is FARTOBEHIND to be relevant. He will not be elected and is headed for party discipline that will end his career.

The majority of California's republicans, and our leadership do NOT want a arrogant ideologue who cannot work with others, sitting in Sacremento... calling the shots. By that I mean TOM.. and Tom alone... has been resoundlingly rejected by the folks who oppose abortion and new gun laws. He now has almost NO party support.

Tom WILL be defeated. Bustamente is no longer the object of this war, or simply Gray Davis.
This is NO LONGER just about Arnold being the best man. It's about BEATING the right wingers in and then the more strident of them out of the party... and it will be done... in a few more days. The hard right in California will soon be disenfranchised... and will lose whatever voice they had.

That is actually good, because without their stridency, some, not all, but some conservative causes will advance... and those small "wins" will generate others. Partial birth abortion will be targetted, as will parental notification. Arnold will KILL all new gun bills AFTER he is elected...

the "all or none" crowd always gets NOTHING...
and this time, the righty tighties in California are going to get nothing. Unless tom actually turns the water into wine or something.
244 posted on 09/30/2003 10:14:59 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (robert... the rino...)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
CA's GOP under Governor Arnold will attract many times the number of the departing ideologues, many of whom do not vote, electing instead, to stay home and pout.

As a matter of fact, the vast majority of newly registered voters for THIS election have chosen the GOP. Why? Arnold.
253 posted on 09/30/2003 10:30:47 PM PDT by onyx (Ask the Indian$)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Time was, not so very long ago, that Republicans and especially Conservatives didn't even attempt to fight back. Time was, not so very long ago, the GOP was a BIG TENT ( which is a good thing ! ), with everyone welcome and wanting to get some ( NOT ALL and NOT IMMEDIATELY, EITHER ! )of their agenda passed. In order to do that, they all knew that it was imperative to get more and more and MORE GOPers elected. Time was, not so very long ago, the fringe eliment knew this too.

Times have changed and the fringers, not willing to accept this concept, went on their way or stayed home, and allowed the Dems to gain more ground, became more and more vocal in their condemnation of others, who were on their side, offended them and some split off. The fringe parties have either imploded, grown even smaller in number, or remained in the party, but doesn't support it or its candidates.

Tom can't win. Even IF Arnold dropped out, Tom can NOT win, because he has offended more Republicans, of EVERY stripe, than he has garnered supporters and he has NO cross over vote appeal.

There are two different worlds here...reality and delsuion. There are two distinct groups...those who want " purity " and those who accept the fact that NO politicain is " pure ".

POLITICS IS THE WORLD OF THE POSSIBLE . Those who refuse to adjust, lose.Losing isn't " principled " and it doesn't further one's goals.

257 posted on 09/30/2003 10:33:53 PM PDT by nopardons
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