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The Unpredictability of War and Force Structure (Stratfor)
Stratfor.com ^ | 29 September 2003 | Dr. George Freeman

Posted on 09/30/2003 3:35:57 PM PDT by 91B

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Got this via e-mail from Stratfor. Searched and didn't see it posted. Pretty much hits the highlights.
1 posted on 09/30/2003 3:35:57 PM PDT by 91B
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To: 91B
Worth a second reading.
2 posted on 09/30/2003 4:43:32 PM PDT by marron
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To: 91B
100% right on. Clausewitz also talked about the size of armies--his conclusion was to always take the biggest force you can get. We are already paying the price in Afghanistan and Iraq for going in too light--couldn't stop the Taliban & Al Qaeda from escaping, couldn't pin them down on ANACONDA, and now they have set up bases in Pakistan & remote provinces & have resupplied & gained confidence & learned some new tactics.

In Iraq, our ground troop shortages meant we couldn't secure the military bases and munitions dumps & key infrastructure & put the hammer down in Tikrit & Fallujah from the get go. So the bad guys easily re-grouped, got their supplies, attained some early successes & have been given the opportunity to plan, rehearse, and adapt.

In both cases, if we hit with all we had at the beginning, there would have been no chance to adapt & re-group & get away & realize--hey! we can take the Americans!

We will win--but it will take longer than it should have & cost more lives & $ because we had a SECDEF who doesn't understand land warfare and doesn't listen to those who do.

3 posted on 09/30/2003 4:43:41 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: 91B
Some of the general points are taken but like Rumsfeld, I think the more troops you have on the ground in Iraq, the more targets (soft troop targets- ie noncombat troops) you would have for guerrillas to target. More convoys going back and forth. More camps/firebases to choose from to mortar. More supply clerks walking around not knowing what to do when they take fire.

I like the approach we're taking. Keeping it to what's needed, trying to get other nations to get in and help us out. Right now, al Qaeda and the Ba'athists might view the lack of a UNSC resolution about Iraq as an inducement to attack and further fracture what support Bush has. We get more foreign troops in there, scale our numbers down, it starts getting harder for al Qaeda (and whoever else) to attack an American. Then al Qaeda has to ask itself- how many more nations do I want to piss off by killing their soldiers? How many of my assets do I want to devote to Iraq (if I'm bin Laden) when American involvement is growing smaller, not larger?

The author doesn't mention Pakistan. That nation is going to come into the mix sooner or later as well. How do we target al Qaeda in Pakistan? You just know the Pentagon is cooking up something and that they also have some sort of contingency plan on stand-by in case it goes tits-up there and the fundies take Musharraf down.

The author does mention the elections and this is good. Al Qaeda gets a vote in the war and they certainly get a vote in the elections. I look for them to watch the political situation on the ground in America very closely. If they believe Bush is vulnerable to losing- they will try to cue their attacks in such a way as to help Clark or Dean or whoever Bush is facing come next November. Not such a big attack that everybody rallies around the Chief again but withering attacks. A steady stream of casualties for the American media and democrats to pontificate over. The democrats are, after all, more or less al Qaeda's best friend in America.

The President needs to have Iraq looking presentable come next year. Maybe not 100% ready to walk baby democracy, but at least with its hair combed, the dirt washed from behind the ears and able to sit still in polite company...

4 posted on 09/30/2003 4:48:30 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: mark502inf
"We will win--but it will take longer than it should have & cost more lives & $ because we had a SECDEF who doesn't understand land warfare and doesn't listen to those who do."

That bear repeating my screaming eagle friend. I am posting from Camp As Saliyah in beautiful Doha, Qatar. Yourself?

5 posted on 09/30/2003 4:49:28 PM PDT by 91B (Golly it's hot.)
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To: Prodigal Son
Maybe we don't need more troops in Iraq (I think that we do) but even so, we need more troops to take the place of those in Iraq when they retire, ETS or otherwise leave the service after all of this. I talk to troops all the time and a lot say that they are through after this. We need to have their replacements ready or suffer the consequences.
7 posted on 09/30/2003 4:56:07 PM PDT by 91B (Golly it's hot.)
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To: 91B
The substitute for boots on the ground is nuclear weapons.

On 9/12/01 we should have nuked them all.

Then we could have begun the leisurely work of assassinating every terrorist left.

--Boris

8 posted on 09/30/2003 4:56:23 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: BabaOreally
Probably not for some specialities, but remember that Rumsfeld believes in the Revolution in Military Affairs philosophy that believes in pushing a more high tech force. It will take time to train them, even if we bring in IT types they will still have to learn military applications (worked with some of these types when we stood up our patient administration system here in theater-lots of kinks had to be worked out).
9 posted on 09/30/2003 5:00:17 PM PDT by 91B (Golly it's hot.)
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To: 91B
we need more troops to take the place of those in Iraq when they retire

Oh absolutely. That was one good point I agreed with in the article. For what it's worth, I didn't disagree with the overall gist of the article. I simply lean more towards the size force we have in Iraq. If the commanders on the ground said they wanted another division, I would totally support that. At the end of the day, they know what they need. But I also see the bigger strategic angle STRATFOR is getting at. It's not so much about whether we can maintain in Afghanistan and Iraq but what else can we handle now if it comes up?

Bush and Rummy are stuck with some pretty ugly political realities. I think the plan to get more foreign troops in place- particularly Turkish and Russian troops will have a positive impact on this equation in our favor. I'd really like to see the Turks (who are mostly Sunnis) patrolling around the Sunni areas.

10 posted on 09/30/2003 5:05:41 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: 91B
The article is a summation of many points
but the last line stands out. Rum is not stubborn he is surprised? Interesting viewpoint.

"the Pentagon's personnel officers are acting like this is
peacetime. The fault lies with a series of unexpected events and Rumsfeld's tendency to behave as if nothing comes as a surprise.

The defense secretary needs to understand that in war, being surprised is not a failure -- it is the natural commission."
12 posted on 09/30/2003 5:20:27 PM PDT by inPhase
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To: 91B
Air Assault, Doc. I'm at home. And I've heard Doha called lots of things--but never beautiful! Glad you're able to get on the net and post. Hope the heat's breaking for you and the patient load is light. Hang in there, friend.
13 posted on 09/30/2003 5:49:50 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: 91B
I think ever increasing the size of our military burden is a loser. Better is the Israeli approach; reduce the size of the Islamic world. Drive Islamic peoples from their lands. Make that the cost of supporting Al Queda and similar terrorist orgs.
14 posted on 09/30/2003 7:04:10 PM PDT by liberallarry
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Harry-I can't tell whether or not you are being sarcastic, but I fail to see how we can do what you suggest without a lot more troops.
15 posted on 09/30/2003 7:19:30 PM PDT by 91B (Golly it's hot.)
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To: 91B
I'm not being sarcastic - but I'm not sure my proposal is realistic either.

It seems to me it's a lot easier to defend a border than to govern as conquerors within a hostile society. That's the logic behind the Israeli proposals of "transfer". That's what's motivated population transfers in the past.

It also imposes an enormous penalty on the losers.

16 posted on 09/30/2003 7:25:24 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: 91B
The outcome of this war is totally predictible. We kill "ALL" the Terrorists! I predict we are the Winners!
17 posted on 09/30/2003 7:46:44 PM PDT by winker
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To: BabaOreally
"Exactly WHO is that, Boris?"

For starters, the capital cities of Saudi Arabia, Syria, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Libya.

For dessert, North Korea.

We are at war--in case you missed 9/11/01. We nuked Japan on the basis of far less provocation.

Pearl Harbor was a military base not on US soil and those killed were mostly military people. The WTC was on our soil and targeted women, children and other non-combatants.

We are at war. Get this through your head. The war is for the survival of Western civilization against barbarism. The enemy has declared the terms of the conflict: there are no innocents, no non-combatants. Very well; now we understand the rules...let us act on them.

--Boris

18 posted on 10/01/2003 5:48:21 AM PDT by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: 91B
"We will win--but it will take longer than it should have & cost more lives & $ because we had a SECDEF who doesn't understand land warfare and doesn't listen to those who do."

I'll see your bump and raise you a bump.

It's my personal belief that Rumsfeld is trapped in a world of his own making. He's a stubborn (it's not too strong a word) proponent of a limited OOB - whether for philosophical or political reasons - and yet is pushing a long term strategy which requires just the opposite, all the while writing checks on on overdrawn reserve component account. When those drafts (pun intended) reach the bank, there's gonna be hell to pay.

The more I consider it, the more I believe we missed a window of opportunity in the months after 9-11 to take a radically different approach which we're going to be wearily regretting in the years to come.

19 posted on 10/01/2003 6:40:11 AM PDT by LTCJ
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