[newwahoo]

"NYC has a problem which it was able to get taken care of for a while by actively enforcing all teh quality of life laws but in order to really get teh murder rate down the need to adopt a rational gun control policy like Vermont."

You and I both know that its not going to happen. There has even been talk of not allowing off-duty and retired cops to carry in the future.

[harpseal]

You and I both know that its not going to happen. There has even been talk of not allowing off-duty and retired cops to carry in the future.

Unfortunately you are correct and as such NYC deserves whatever murder rate devolves upon it as a cesspold of tyranny. I say as a cessool of tyranny becuase tehy have recently prisecuted a man for illegal possession of a firearm within his home it is long past time for the courts to rule all these crazy firearms laws unconstitutional.

I know it is highly unlikely but we are talking about what will work to stop crime.