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I received an e-mail from Ron Holland, editor of Dixie Daily News, calling my attention to this editorial. Apparently, the responses to Gunita's rant were overwhelming, because the essay was pulled from the St. Augustine Record's website. I was only able to find the text via a cached web page courtesy of Google.
1 posted on 09/30/2003 12:19:22 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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This guy should be educated as to what the first amendment means. I don't agree with the people he is criticizing, but he's a right psycho. These folks should be "reconstructed?" Is that anything like the "re-education" camps Pol-Pot ran?

After all, the search and preservation of the Hunley artifacts, as well as the funeral itself, were paid for by U.S. taxpayers.

sick, twisted, check book morality. The Nazi's paid for the concentration camps. Should the Jews be happy about Swastikas flying over their graves? I'm NOT comparing the US flag or the US to the Nazi's. I'm criticizing his reasoning. Again, I don't support the critics of having the Stars and Stripes fly over these graves. I would be distrubed if it didn't, but for different reasons than this writer puts forward.

Also, the Hunley crew was born under the Stars and Stripes. The Confederacy was never an internationally recognized nation, so the crewmen also died as citizens of the United States.

he almost gets it here. The first sentance comes close. We, today, are all Americans, despite what happened in the period 1860 to 1865. The geniuses who came up with the Hunley were Americans. Americans who were in rebellion, but Americans. Then he gets into "international recognition" crap. That disqualifies his opinion by itself.

They were in rebellion, but they were still Americans.

Yep. Not a problem with this sentance.

This whole issue is an insult to all Southerners who fought under the U.S. flag before and since the Civil War.

No. This whole article is. Those Southerners who were in rebellion were not all racists out to defend slavery. Some, like General Lee, were patriots, first, last and always, who felt that their loyalty was to their "country" (in his case, Virginia) and not the federal government.

I have relatives who fought on both sides of the civil war. Some great, some small. I am proud of them all, though I believe that some of them were wrong. I also believe that the US federal government was right to suppress John Browns abolitionist terrorists, though I believe that their cause may have been just, though their methods misguided.

Attempts by modern "confederates" to deny the results and lessons of the civil war are misguided and wrong. Equally misguided are the attempts by the "enlightened" to demonize and "re-educate" those who disagree with them. Northerners (who I'm descnded from) are guilty of having aided an abeted the slave trade by profiting from it. Southerners (who I'm descnded from) are guilty of having proited from the slave trade that propped up their economy. Americans are to be proud of having fought a war whose effect, if not intent, was to put an end to legalized slavery in the United States. We taught the world that it was wrong. We Americans, north and south, set the stage for the abolition of slavery in the civilized world.

Of course, we still have the islamic world to deal with.

341 posted on 10/01/2003 11:33:52 AM PDT by Phsstpok (often wrong, but never in doubt)
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I fly the "Bonnie Blue" and seriously believe that "when government becomes oppressive" it is the DUTY of the citizenry to revolt.
362 posted on 10/01/2003 12:15:49 PM PDT by sandydipper (Never quit - never surrender!)
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In the end, the Confederacy was out-fought, out-lasted, eventually out-generaled and totally over-matched. It was a criminal idea to start with, and its success would have changed the course of modern history for the worse.

Bingo.

It should be remembered that the rebellion had few major military successes at all and -none- outside Virginia, excepting Chickamauga.

Of diplomatic and economic successes they had none at all.

Walt

417 posted on 10/02/2003 2:05:48 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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Total garbage.
421 posted on 10/02/2003 2:54:27 AM PDT by Fledermaus (I give up. If our conservative leaders won't stand up and fight, why should we?)
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Robert E. Lee said, "I surrendered as much to Lincoln's goodness as I did to Grant's armies."

I had not read this quotation before. Lincoln must have been a very, very good man then, because Grant pounded Lee into submission.

467 posted on 10/02/2003 8:50:48 AM PDT by capitan_refugio
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Big central government sympathizers should be deconstructed.
540 posted on 10/03/2003 6:03:53 AM PDT by reelfoot
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Die-hard Confederates should be politely ignored and shunned by people who have decided to get a life.
713 posted on 10/06/2003 5:32:03 PM PDT by paulklenk (DEPORT HILLARY!)
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1,101 posted on 10/14/2003 5:18:42 PM PDT by Bob J
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There is a long standing tradition of acknowledging and honoring the bravery of one's enemy. It is called chivalry. This the secularists would have us abandon -- along with morality, decency, high culture, patriotism and discipline.
1,125 posted on 10/15/2003 8:59:38 AM PDT by Dionysius
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Well I think it's an appropriate honor to be buried by the U.S. Navy and it's an honor for the Navy to bury these incredibly brave men. However, the U.S.Army should have/or share the honor because Hunley was not operated by the Confederate Navy (who thought the idea was crazy) but by the Confederate Army.
1,650 posted on 10/29/2003 5:19:56 PM PST by Theophilus (Save little liberals - Stop Abortion!!!)
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Yankees ain't never going to get it! No where in the U.S. Constitution does it say once in never out. The Confederate States of America had ever right to leave the union. To say then did not is to say the 13 Colonies did not have the right to separate from the UK.

The CSA was a separate nation until forced back into the USA. That was the watershed of freedom in America, its all been downhill ever since.
1,712 posted on 10/31/2003 8:02:22 PM PST by vladog
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Perspective: Die-hard Confederates should be reconstructed

Probably itching to send them off to 'reeducation camps' complete with barbed wire and brain washing sessions.

1,716 posted on 10/31/2003 10:33:03 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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Not that I can add much after 1800 posts. Conduct their funeral under the Confederate Naval Ensign, or at least drape their caskets with it. That flag was well enough recognized on the Confederate Blockade runner Alabama--an ocean away--for the Union Navy to sink her. During WWI fallen enemy pilots were accorded their full military honors when buried by their opponents, extend that last touch of chivalry to these men killed in action.

The writer makes several errors in fact regarding the war, which I will leave for others to discuss, as I am sure they have. I will only make the observation that a neo-Yankee is far, far worse than any neo-Confeerate could be.

1,809 posted on 11/07/2003 12:33:39 AM PST by Smokin' Joe ("Look upon my works, ye mighty and despair...." (Ozymandias/ Shelly))
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