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Schwarzenegger's "Right Wing Crazies"
September 30th, 2003 | Sabertooth

Posted on 09/30/2003 8:36:48 AM PDT by Sabertooth

There has been not a little controversy about an unguarded remark by Arnold Schwarzenegger, to the effect that some supporters of California's Proposition #54, the Racial Privacy Initiative, are "right wing crazies."

Schwarzenegger's comment was first reported in The National Review, not generally known as a left wing publication...

Schwarzenegger was questioned about Prop 54, the Ward Connerly-spearheaded measure that would make it illegal for governmental agencies to collect racial statistics on the population, with some prudent exceptions. This is the Racial Privacy Initiative.

Schwarzenegger said, "I'm against it. It looks good on the surface, but when you study it you see its true intentions. It was a no-brainer, once I looked at all the reading and all the materials. I do a lot of work with after-school programs, a lot of these kids are minorities, and we need to know how they're doing and bring them up to the starting line. It was a no-brainer. And if the right-wing crazies have a problem with that, so be it."
National Review Online - September 8th, 2003

Since Proposition 54 has been endorsed by the California Republican Party, and is the heir to 1996's Proposition 209, which banned affirmative action in California, some have regarded the "right wing crazies" comment as somewhat impolitic.

Proposition 209, like Proposition 54, was the brainchild of Ward Connerly, a black conservative activist. Prop 54 is actually intended to plug loopholes found in 209, by leftist bureaucrats with the intent of skirting the anti-affirmative action measure.

So, Schwarzenegger's reported insult of some who are supporting Connerly's latest ballot measure has riled more than a few California conservatives. Coming, as it did, in the midst of California's Gubernatorial Recall election, in a field of candidates that includes Schwarzenegger's fellow Republican, conservative Tom McClintock, the "right wing crazies" report has caused concern among members of the GOP here.

Schwarzenegger's appeal has been more to the moderate spectrum of the electorate, and his campaign has been attempting to make inroads with Republican conservatives, many of whom have been referred to as "right wing crazies" in the past by the Democrats and mainstream press, and whom have also been skeptical about Schwarzenegger's more liberal positions on a range of social issues.

Realizing the danger, Schwarzenegger campaign spokesman Sean Walsh attempted to put the "right wing crazies" matter to rest a few days after the initial report.

Here is a synopsis from the Ventura County Star, including the first hand account of Schwarzenegger's comment by Proposition 54 spokesman Justin Jones, followed by Walsh's statement:

Jones said Schwarzenegger explained that he had studied the measure and determined it was a "no-brainer" to oppose it. Schwarzenegger went on to say he believed it important that public schools be able to identify minority children to help "bring them up to the starting line. And if the right-wing crazies have a problem with that, so be it."

Sean Walsh, a spokesman for Schwarzenegger, said Tuesday that the exchange "never happened."

"Someone did ask him his position on Proposition 54, and he expressed his concerns about the health-care aspects and educational aspects," Walsh said. "With regard to any additional comments, they never happened."

< -snip- >

Walsh called the timing of the allegation suspicious, as it comes a few days before a statewide Republican convention in Los Angeles that opens Friday.

"Let's be candid," Walsh said. "We are going into a Republican convention and there are those who don't necessarily support Mr. Schwarzenegger who are trying to get attention."
Ventura County Star - September 10th, 2003

So, we have a first-hand account by a named source, Justin Jones, and a subsequent denial by Schwarzenegger spokesman Sean Walsh. It's not clear if Walsh was present for the alleged exchange.

So, this would appear to be a clear-cut case of "he said - someone's spokesman said."

While it would be preferable if Schwarzenegger had cleared the matter up himself, Walsh's denial of the "right wing crazies" remark on his behalf does give Schwarzenegger at least a measure of plausible deniability.

Unless, of course, some other account of Schwarzenegger's use of the offending phrase should surface...

Although his positions on such issues have nothing to do with ending the state's financial crisis, which Schwarzenegger has said would be his main concern as governor, they are important because they could help him gain support from the conservative wing of the state Republican Party.

"Even within the Republican base, if you are talking about a closed Republican primary... they are no more than 20 to 25 percent of the registered Republicans. There is a perception out there that all registered Republicans are right wing crazies -- that, in fact, is not true."
MSNBC - August 27th, 2003

This second and independent account of Schwarzenegger's use of the offending "right wing crazies" phrase comes from earlier in the Recall campaign, though not from the week of the State Republican Convention, to which Sean Walsh's denial-by-proxy appears to apply.

Here again, Schwarzenegger is using the term "right wing crazies" to refer to Republican conservatives, though he concedes that they make up no more than "20 to 25 percent of the registered Republicans."

Still, as we enter the final week of California's Gubernatorial Recall campaign, amid calls from state GOP leaders to unify the party behind Schwarzenegger, multiple questions have now arisen about Schwarzenegger's comments and attitudes toward the conservative wing of the party.

With two separate accounts of his use of "right wing crazies," Schwarzenegger needs to have Sean Walsh step away from the microphone, and address the issue himself, in his own words.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: connerly; justinjones; proposition54; recall; rightwingcrazies; schwarzenegger; seanwalsh
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To: Sabertooth
The California Republican Party thinks Schwarzenegger is a great candidate ~ I can't argue as I'm not a California voter or a Republican ~ I'm an Independent living in Oregon. :-/

PS there are some "crazies" right here on FR, you've read the posts calling A.S. an "abortionist" yet, they offer no documentation showing where he performed an abortion.

For their information, abortion is federal law, not state law.
21 posted on 09/30/2003 8:58:31 AM PDT by blackie
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To: Sir Gawain



Only conservatives would be offended by that remark. As you can see on this thread, not many care...

To be fair, some are speechless.


22 posted on 09/30/2003 8:58:53 AM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Sabertooth
sabertooth-

Is this all you McClintockBots have to cling to??? How pathetic.

23 posted on 09/30/2003 8:59:52 AM PDT by montag813 (Fire Tenet...Jail Joseph Wilson...Rally 'Round Our President, Dammit!!!)
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To: blackie
The California Republican Party thinks Schwarzenegger is a great candidate

The 1400 voting members of the California Republican Party at the state convention never voted on the question.

24 posted on 09/30/2003 9:02:41 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Sabertooth
I'll grant you that I don't always write clearly (espechially on a few sips of coffee) but I thought what I was saying is that if "name calling" is now an issue for FReepers to consider in the recall, there is plenty to go around here. I said "FR discussion threads" that's US bro . . . not McClintock. But I'll try to be clearer next time.

Have a nice day . . . don't forget to vote. ;^)

25 posted on 09/30/2003 9:03:14 AM PDT by w_over_w
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To: blackie
For their information, abortion is federal law, not state law.

California's state funding of abortion, supported by Schwarzenegger, isn't mandated by federal law.

26 posted on 09/30/2003 9:04:23 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Isn't it great to be able to vote for who you want to vote for. :)
27 posted on 09/30/2003 9:05:49 AM PDT by blackie
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To: All
Does anyone know when the LA Times Poll is due to be released? Thanks!
28 posted on 09/30/2003 9:06:28 AM PDT by NYC Republican
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To: blackie
Isn't it great to be able to vote for who you want to vote for.

Yep. He's staying in despite the threats.

29 posted on 09/30/2003 9:07:43 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Sabertooth
In response to your thoroughly researched facts, only four out of 22 posts (so far) are personal attacks.

Not bad. I expected worse.
30 posted on 09/30/2003 9:07:51 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (California! See how low WE can go!)
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To: blackie
Arnold's Hero !

In 2001, Buffett donated over $9 million to Planned Parenthood, the world’s largest abortion provider. According to Business Week, the Buffett foundation made a $20 million commitment to International Projects Assistance Services, a company that actually manufactures suction pumps used in abortion procedures.<p> Steve Mosher, director of the Virginia-based Population Research Institute, spoke on behalf of pro-life shareholders at the Berkshire Hathaway, “It’s the money to actually do the abortions… the nuts and bolts, the hard stuff that he funds.”

31 posted on 09/30/2003 9:08:47 AM PDT by Afronaut (Zombie voters For Liberals)
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To: montag813


Is this all you McClintockBots have to cling to??? How pathetic.

You're so right, but I do prefer "McClintockBot" to "right wing crazy." A quirk, I guess.

The purpose of this thread, of course, is to point out to Schwarzenegger's supporters who rely on the Walsh denial that there is more to this "right wing crazies" thing than they're apparently aware.

After all, if they thought this was a non-issue, they wouldn't bother reposting the denial by Walsh.


32 posted on 09/30/2003 9:11:16 AM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Roscoe
California's state funding of abortion, supported by Schwarzenegger, isn't mandated by federal law.

AAAAAAAAAGGGGGG! This aint about abortion damn it. This isn't the issue! Not even on the map! Crips!

33 posted on 09/30/2003 9:12:52 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Sabertooth
The choices are simple.
1. Davis. We all know where he stands.
2. Cruz - Davis lite, and MechA member.
3. Arnold - Establishment candidate. Pro-choice, anti-2nd Amendment, says he's anti-tax but then has Buffett, Wilson, and Riordan as advisors. He's 'for the chillldren'. Wouldn't answer the question on Ward Connerly's initaitive. He MIGHT be alright fiscally, but there are a lot of doubts.
4. McClintock - Pro-life. Pro-2a. Anti-tax RECORD and stood up to Davis AND Wilson. Supports Connerly. Gives straight answers to questions.
34 posted on 09/30/2003 9:14:35 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan (A vote for McClintock is a vote for Kyle Reese...and a vote against Cruz.)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Forgot to mention illegals. McClintock was the only one mentioning that issue.
35 posted on 09/30/2003 9:15:27 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan (A vote for McClintock is a vote for Kyle Reese...and a vote against Cruz.)
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To: Afronaut
Arnold is a trojan horse in the Republican Party. IF he is elected and IF he pulls California out of its morass (doubtful) then he will wield huge power in the Party and be very popular - able to deliver the CA Republican party primary votes to a liberal Republican opponent of Bush. Don't think he won't do it if this scenario works out - remember to whom he is married. Sen. Kennedy is licking his chops. If they can get Arnold in and IF they can get at least a semblance of CA being better off because he is governnor then Arnold/Kennedy will have a big clout in the party and they can try to dump BUSH - maybe get a liberal Republican to steal the nomination or at least damage BUSH so badly in the bloody battle to follow that he is extremely weakened.
36 posted on 09/30/2003 9:17:59 AM PDT by kkindt (knightforhire.com)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
AAAAAAAAAGGGGGG!

Just one of his many left wing positions.

37 posted on 09/30/2003 9:18:22 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Sabertooth; Admin Moderator
1. Does a Vanity post qualify as Front Page news now, just as long as it bashed Arnold, even if it consists of lies?

2.The allegation was denied contemporaneously, published in the same article, which raised the allegation, which I posted here several times. I remember posting it to you the last time you were propagating these lies.

Here it is again -- even the title of the article includes the repudiation:

Prop. 54 backer: Schwarzenegger gave him an earful. Candidate's camp denies reported 'crazies' remark

Sean Walsh, a spokesman for Schwarzenegger, said Tuesday that the exchange "never happened."

"Someone did ask him his position on Proposition 54, and he expressed his concerns about the health-care aspects and educational aspects," Walsh said. "With regard to any additional comments, they never happened."

38 posted on 09/30/2003 9:20:32 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Sabertooth
There seems to be a lot of them on FR.
39 posted on 09/30/2003 9:21:00 AM PDT by cksharks
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To: Carry_Okie
In response to your thoroughly researched facts, only four out of 22 posts (so far) are personal attacks.

Well, it appears that some strategize to ignore threads like this, hoping they will die quickly.

Not a problem, though... I just wanted to put it all together, as a reference.

Zero attempts to refute any of it, I've noticed.

Thanks for your comments.


40 posted on 09/30/2003 9:21:51 AM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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