[Jack Black]

You haven't studied philosophy much, have you? There are many moral systems not based on belief in God. YOU may not like them, but to say they can't exist is absurd. Also GOD centered moral systems change greatly over time. Look at what was considered 'Christian' in 500 A.D., 1500 A.D. and now. Not very similar. Buddhism, as a single example created a moral system that was used in the east for over a thousand years to govern societies.

[newgeezer]

Yeah, whatever. Philosophy or not, my statement stands. Absent a diety [who wrote the rules and promises to enforce them], your definition of [right vs. wrong] is no better than mine.

It has absolutely nothing to do with what men have done in His name.