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Smallpox Vaccine Could Prevent AIDS
Kansas City Star/AP ^ | Sept. 29, 2003 | MATTHEW BARAKAT

Posted on 09/29/2003 5:18:01 PM PDT by FairOpinion

FAIRFAX, Va. - Could a smallpox shot protect you from the AIDS virus? It's a tantalizing idea that scientists at George Mason University are studying. Early findings are very preliminary and based on lab tests of a small number of blood samples.

Other AIDS researchers caution against putting too much faith in such early tests, and the George Mason study has not been published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal that is standard for major medical breakthroughs.

But Ken Alibek, director of the university's National Center for Biodefense, said the early results are encouraging.

"This could result in some very important work," said Alibek, a former top scientist in the Soviet biological weapons program who came to the United States in 1992. If early results bear out, "this could be a great way to protect people," he said, because the vaccine has been safety-tested, is already in production and has been used successfully on a global scale to eradicate smallpox.

The research was based on a hypothesis that the spread of HIV in central Africa coincided with the decline of smallpox. As smallpox was eliminated and people stopped receiving vaccinations in the early 1980s, the AIDS virus began to spread rapidly.

Alibek said Raymond Weinstein, a fellow researcher at George Mason, approached him with the hypothesis.

"My first reaction was this sounds like some kind of crazy idea. But after some analysis, I realized maybe this is not so crazy," Alibek said.

To test the theory, Alibek and Weinstein studied blood samples from 10 people who received the smallpox vaccination and 10 who did not.

When HIV was introduced into the blood samples of those who had been vaccinated, the virus either failed to grow or its growth was slowed considerably. The study results were statistically significant despite the small sample size, Alibek said.

Wayne Koff, senior vice president for research and development at the International AIDS Vaccine Initiative, expressed caution about drawing too many conclusions from such early research.

He also said that pox viruses, like the one used in the smallpox vaccine, have been shown to have a general antiviral effect, but that doesn't necessarily mean they will be effective specifically against the AIDS virus.

"It's preliminary. It's intriguing. But it reminds me of a lot of the data sets we get that are preliminary and intriguing" but don't always pan out, Koff said.

Koff also was skeptical about the hypothesis that the emergence of AIDS in Africa had any connection with the decline of smallpox.

Alibek acknowledged that the research so far cannot tell if the smallpox vaccine produces a response that is specific to the AIDS virus, but on a certain level, he said, it's irrelevant.

"For a person who would be protected, it would not matter if it is specific to HIV" as long as it provides protection, he said.

Based on the research, George Mason University has filed patent applications on the smallpox vaccine's therapeutic use against HIV and AIDS.

Scientists declared smallpox eradicated in 1980, and the widespread vaccination program that contributed to its demise ended. In the early 1980s, the AIDS virus began its rapid spread through central Africa.

Concerns over bioterrorism have prompted federal officials to recommend smallpox vaccines for public health workers. More than 38,000 health-care workers nationwide have received the vaccine in recent months, though fears about the vaccine's side effects have stopped some from getting the shot.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Virginia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aids; alibek; bioterrorism; gmu; research; smallpox; vaccine
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It's an interesting possibility. It would be wonderful, if this were true, and it makes sense.

It could stop the spread of AIDS world wide in its tracks and protect people against smallpox, and even other viruses, potentially.

So why can't we get our smallpox vaccines, if we want to?!

1 posted on 09/29/2003 5:18:01 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Well, the bath-houses will be packed tonight.
2 posted on 09/29/2003 5:19:13 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (Bringing you quality, non-unnecessarily-excerpted threads since 2002)
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To: flutters
Your "diseases" ping list might be interested in this.
3 posted on 09/29/2003 5:20:40 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Paul Atreides
AIDS is a major problem in Africa. I don't recall the numbers, but I was astounded at the large fraction of the population who have it and they have horrible misconceptions about it.

I also read it's spreading in Europe too.

If a simple smallpox vaccine could basically eradicate it, I think we would all be better off. ( Among other things, just think how much it's costing us to treat them)
4 posted on 09/29/2003 5:22:48 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
This one is too rich. (1970s UN): We must stop the smallpox, it is deadly and unnecssary disease, because we have a vaccination for it.

So, they stop smallpox, and then AIDS grows into the vacuum left by a virus that has been with humanity for a very long time. I'll be ROTFLMAO it it turns out that AIDS is an opportunistic virus that set in because smallpox was killed off.

5 posted on 09/29/2003 5:22:52 PM PDT by NotQuiteCricket (http://christyrambles.blogspot.com)
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Well, the major mistake seems to have been stopping the smallpox vaccinations, apparently that was protecting us from more viruses, than just the smallpox.

What is ironic, is that the real reason they aren't making it available to everyone today, was because of all the people who are "immune compromised", i.e. HIV, when in fact, it would help them the most.

6 posted on 09/29/2003 5:25:15 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Badabing Badaboom; pokerbuddy0; Mitchell; Allan
Ken Alibek Alert!
7 posted on 09/29/2003 5:26:28 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: FairOpinion
I absolutely agree. However, I cannot help but think that the homosexual community will read of this and go out and have an orgy to celebrate.
8 posted on 09/29/2003 5:27:35 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (Bringing you quality, non-unnecessarily-excerpted threads since 2002)
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To: FairOpinion
AIDS is a major problem in Africa. I don't recall the numbers, but I was astounded at the large fraction of the population who have it and they have horrible misconceptions about it.

The numbers are not reliable; they are extrapolated from extremely limited testing, usually of pregnant mothers. Pregnancy triggers false HIV positives.

9 posted on 09/29/2003 5:28:25 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (I always shoot for the moon......sometimes I hit London.- Von Braun)
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To: NotQuiteCricket
OK that ROTFLMAO bit probably sounded pretty cold hearted let me explain.

The people who pushed the smallpox vaccination (for the good of the chilrens) was the WHO & the UN. These are the same groups chock a block full of people who are squealing about the environment being delicate, and hollering about how if you kill a butterfly or a fish then the entire environment will be destroyed or catastrophically changed. But for some reason a virus (which isn't alive, and I suppose off of their radar) becoming extinct is a "good" thing. And the possible ramifications of it becoming extinct upon the environment & people wasn't even thought through, just: smallpox bad, must kill.
10 posted on 09/29/2003 5:29:16 PM PDT by NotQuiteCricket (http://christyrambles.blogspot.com)
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But Ken Alibek, director of the university's National Center for Biodefense, said the early results are encouraging.

Normally I would dismiss a story like this, but the fact that Ken Alibek is involved makes me wonder.

11 posted on 09/29/2003 5:42:50 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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Scientists declared smallpox eradicated in 1980, and the widespread vaccination program that contributed to its demise ended. In the early 1980s, the AIDS virus began its rapid spread through central Africa.

That's right. They stopped vaccinating children. And AIDS started spreading amongst adults, who had been vaccinated.

It got into the U.S. and other nations, and spread amongst adults who had been vaccinated.

I don't buy this. I sure as hell would not bet my life on it.

12 posted on 09/29/2003 5:56:46 PM PDT by LibKill (Father Darwin has a sense of humor but no mercy whatsoever.)
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To: Battle Axe
According to your post AIDS appeared in Smallpox vaccinates.

You read it wrongly, FRiend.

I said that the AIDS epidemic started in adults about the same time that vaccination of children ceased.

The article claims that the smallpox vaccination might PROTECT against AIDS. I was pointing out that the epidemic spread among people who had been vaccinated.

My point was that the smallpox vaccination is NOT a protection from AIDS.

I have read some theories that claim the smallpox vaccination caused or started AIDS. I do not believe this for some very good reasons.

1. Nowadays AIDS is killing younger folks who were NEVER vaccinated against smallpox. It is obviously spread by sexual transmission, dirty needles and a few other causes.

2. I have had several vaccinations against smallpox, the first in the 1950's and the last in the 1980s. I don't have AIDS or HIV, and most of the people in my age group who have similar vaccination histories do not either.

To put a real fine point on it, smallpox vaccine does not cause AIDS, and it won't protect you against it either.

15 posted on 09/29/2003 7:17:40 PM PDT by LibKill (Father Darwin has a sense of humor but no mercy whatsoever.)
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To: Battle Axe
I think they stopped vaccinating in the mid-seventies, as I recall, about 30 or so years ago. And low and behold most people who have HIV and AIDS are in the younger age category.

Also,isn't it true, that AIDS really took off in the 80-s -- and they say that smallpox vaccine is only effective for 10 years ( although there were some studies claiming otherwise).
16 posted on 09/29/2003 7:25:37 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Based on the research, George Mason University has filed patent applications on the smallpox vaccine's therapeutic use against HIV and AIDS.

This guy is an idiot as this is a useless patent. All one has to do is to say, I would like a small pox vacination to guard against a terror attack even if you really want it for hiv, and you avoid paying this guy royalties. Plus, the royalties if any should rightly go to the vaccine patent holders because they did the development research and inadvertently did a large scale test on the general population. This guys only contribution is reanalyzing the results of that test. So this guy did not produce the vaccine, did not test the vaccine, and noticed one small thing. If I am the patent officer, his patent gets denied.

18 posted on 09/29/2003 7:51:53 PM PDT by staytrue
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Don't blame "the guy", it's the university which applied for the patent.

"George Mason University has filed patent applications "

I definitely see your point, it probably isn't patentable, but at the same time, they are the ones doing the research to determine, whether or not it's effective against HIV. But on the other hand, that is exactly the kind of thing universities should be doing anyway.
19 posted on 09/29/2003 7:55:23 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Well, it's worth a statistical check - medical records of AIDS victims should contain this information. The first wave of AIDS patients in the 80s, however, were largely of the age group that had been vaccinated as children, but that is hardly definitive.

It is a little doubtful based on what we think we know now. The two virii (variola and HIV) are of different families, with different vectors, different target tissues, and different cellular etiologies. Variola does, however, exhibit fairly recently-discovered immune-suppressive features, but these are thought to work through lysing specific enzymes while HIV is thought to work through death of progenitor cells such as CD-40. But the history of science is the history of things lots of people thought that turned out to be wrong or incomplete. It's worth a check, at least.

20 posted on 09/29/2003 8:03:31 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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