[PigRigger]

Isolation hasn't worked in the past, has even less of a chance in the future. Either we attempt to implement a solution (under our own terms) understanding the costs involved or just accept the possible outcome of doing little or nothing.

How many had to die in WWI or WWII before it became crystal clear as to to what we were up against. This is WWIII whether you believe it or not.

Cutting and running from Iraq (or the Middle East for that matter), at this point, serves no purpose and will only make things far worse down the road. IMHO.

[JohnGalt]

The basic split between conservatives and Wilsonian liberals:

One group, conservatives, believes '9/11' (or WW1 or WW2) was caused by too much interventionism, the other group believes '9/11' was the result of not enough intervention.

In 2003, both are reasonable points of view only one is conservative and the other is liberal.