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1 posted on 09/29/2003 10:19:19 AM PDT by Delphinium
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Any principles listed yet?
30 posted on 09/29/2003 10:34:20 AM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: Delphinium
for what principals are you voting for?

Mr. Weatherbee.

31 posted on 09/29/2003 10:34:26 AM PDT by JennysCool
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To: Delphinium
Every one that I have a snowball's chance in hell of preserving.
32 posted on 09/29/2003 10:35:18 AM PDT by Agnes Heep
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Just curious,for what principals are you voting for?

Looks like she already won:

OREGON PRINCIPAL NAMED MIDDLE SCHOOL PRINCIPAL OF THE YEAR

WASHINGTON, DC. - Mrs. Patricia Kinney, principal at Talent Middle School in Talent, Oregon, has been honored today as the 2003 MetLife/NASSP National Middle Level Principal of the Year. The search for the National Principal of the Year began in early 2002. Kinney was first selected as one of three finalists from a pool of Middle Level Principals of the Year from each state, the District of Columbia, and the Department of Defense Education Activity (DODEA). Kinney received this award for demonstrating excellence in resolving complex problems, involving the community in the life of the school, and her consistent success in improving Talent's overall learning environment. Kinney has been serving as the 2002 Oregon Middle Level Principal of the Year.

34 posted on 09/29/2003 10:36:32 AM PDT by CheneyChick (www.JoinArnold.com - "Let's Bring Kah-lee-fohr-nya Back")
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For winning in steps with an electable fiscal conservative in an economic crisis rather than losing in and all or nothing way like we did with the abortion issue.

Arnold is pro-turning the state Around and has been a successful business man, meanwhile Tom has only lived off the government.

Tom is also pro-abortion...
He tried to abort the Republican party and people of the state this election.
He aborted being a team player in search of personal advantage.
He aborted his career in state politics as a Republican and will not be allowed to win and represent Republicans against Boxer.

Look for Tom in the Libertarian party in the future.

You can stick a fork in him regarding the Republican party...he is done!
36 posted on 09/29/2003 10:37:22 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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1. Schwarzenegger said no new taxes over his dead body.
2. Schwarzenegger is not a politico.
3. Schwarzenegger will reform workers comp and other buisness killing taxess and regulations.
4. Schwarzenegger is against the car tax.
5. Schwarzenegger is against the driver licenses for illegals.
5. Schwarzenegger is for parental Consent.
6. Schwarzenegger is against partial birth abortion.
7. Schwarzenegger projects a strong image as a leader. McClintock who although has nice ideas, makes Davis and Bustamante look charismatic.
8. Schwarzenegger is for local school control.
9. I believe Schwarzenegger has a better chance of effecting positive change and reform in California than McClintock or any of the other candidates.
42 posted on 09/29/2003 10:41:47 AM PDT by finnman69 (!)
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The principal that a sentence should not end with a preposition, particularly one used previously in the same sentence.
47 posted on 09/29/2003 10:43:41 AM PDT by blau993 (Labs for love; .357 for Security.)
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To: Delphinium
principal=principle
50 posted on 09/29/2003 10:45:29 AM PDT by blau993 (Labs for love; .357 for Security.)
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To: Delphinium
Just curious,for what principals are you voting for?

Principal Seymour Skinner, of course!


52 posted on 09/29/2003 10:46:49 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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I'm not voting, I left California over a decade ago.

But the principle I would vote for is leadership. The same quality I saw and still see in President Bush. In Ronald Reagan. It includes optimism, the ability to work with both sides, a vision.

Anyone can be a "policy wonk", list stats and information. And claim to stand by "principles", meantime using tactics that defy true ethical principles. Think of Al Gore.

Leadership is what California needs. Social issues are secondary for the sinking ship of the economy there. And true leadership is not easy to find, it is a true gift. Arnold has it, you can feel the power of his dreams and vision for California every time he talks. When McClintock talks he seems to alienate. That will accomplish nothing.

Of course you will put this down as too simplistic, as RINO, as a sell-out. That's fine. But you would settle for Bustamante to satisfy your principles. I see some real contradictions in that approach, and you should too.
53 posted on 09/29/2003 10:47:26 AM PDT by BonnieJ
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"Just win, baby!"

That's my take on it, anyway.

56 posted on 09/29/2003 10:50:11 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Delphinium; BibChr; onyx; PhiKapMom; Tamsey; redlipstick; habs4ever; South40; ...
Glad you asked. I'm voting for Arnold for conservative principles. Arnold is sufficiently conservative to deserve the support of conservatives.

Check the most recent FreeRepublic survey (unscientific as it is). It shows more Freepers supporting Arnold than those supporting Tom. Arnold has plenty of conservative support -- here, in the Republican Party, and across the state. And conservative support for Arnold isn't simply because of expediency. Those who say that Arnold isn't a conservative haven't recognized that his key economic team members are thinkers at the Hoover Institution; didn't read his op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal last week; didn't hear his comments at the state GOP convention a couple of weeks ago; and apparently don't consider conservative his comments that Californians are overtaxed, that the fiscal problem is that the state spends too much money rather than takes in too little revenue, and that anti-business legislation needs to be opposed in order to improve the state's economic climate.

The following is from Arnold's speech at the Republican Convention (in any other election, these comments would be plenty for conservatives):

"I saw in Austria made me anti-communist. What I saw in California made me a free-enterprise, fiscally conservative Republican. Republican principles are what built California into the Golden State.

"I came to America 35 years ago as an immigrant. By working playing by the rules, my immigrant dreams came true. I want other people to have the same chances, the same opportunities. I am a Republican because of what Ronald Reagan said – government bureaucrats can never substitute for millions of individuals working night and day to make their dreams come true.

"That's what being a Republican means.

"Let me tell you what being a conservative means to me.

"I'm a conservative because I believe communism is evil and free enterprise is good.

"I'm a conservative because Milton Friedman is right and Karl Marx was wrong.

"I'm a conservative because I believe the government serves the people; the people don't serve the government.

"I'm a conservative because I believe in balanced budgets, not budget deficits.

"I'm a conservative because I believe the money that people earn is their money – not the government’s money.

"And when you look at this driver's license outrage, I'm a conservative because I believe in the rule of law not in political pandering. The driver's license issue is not about race; it's about law. It's about a fair playing field. It's about living by the rules.

"That's why people come to this country – because our laws mean something.

"As governor, I promise you – our laws will mean something."

62 posted on 09/29/2003 10:56:25 AM PDT by My2Cents (Well...there you go again.)
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The principal of maximizing pain to demonrats arse!
65 posted on 09/29/2003 10:58:31 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (The barbarians are inside the gates!)
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These are some of Arnold's political positions that are preferrable to Bustamante...


Arnold states he will force the Federal government to slam the borders shut
Arnold will cut the government down in size
Arnold pledged to only raise taxes in the event of a terrorist attack or a natural disaster
Arnold will eliminate onerous regulation strangling businesses
Arnold will reform Workers' Compensation
Arnold will roll the excessive car tax
Arnold will audit the state's books to eliminate waste and fraud
Arnold opposes gay marriage
Arnold supports school prayer
Arnold supports litigation reform
Arnold supports parental notification for minors seeking abortion
Arnold opposes partial birth abortion
Arnold does not support the 8-hour workday and paid parental leave
Arnold is pro-military, pro-national defense
Arnold believes in self-reliance versus socialism
Arnold opposes DL's for illegals
Arnold supports English-Only
Arnold opposes unions
Arnold is pro-religion, going to church weekly
Arnold is pro-family and has been married to the same woman 17 years
Arnold supports the death penalty
Arnold supports the 3-strikes law without modification
Arnold opposes special interest lobbies, such as Indian Reservations
Arnold supports donating to charity, his own focused on children and religious-oriented donations
Arnold is pro-Bush and supports the military action against terrorist groups
Arnold will protect Prop 13


.... choose this or Bustabudget and his racist dream to hand California over to Mexico.
72 posted on 09/29/2003 11:01:41 AM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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Just curious,for what principals are you voting for?

The principles of hard work and never giving up. The principle of believing in yourself, even when people tell you your dreams are impossible. Arnold embodies the American Dream. He is a great leader.

73 posted on 09/29/2003 11:02:10 AM PDT by Zevonismymuse
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74 posted on 09/29/2003 11:02:23 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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Principals? We don't vote for our principals, they are appointed by the school board.

If you want to know about principles, I think you are asking the wrong question. We are asked to choose between retaining Davis, on the one hand, or an alternative, on the other. If the choice is between Davis and Bustamante, there is really no difference, so I am willing to risk a Bustamante win and vote for the recall so long as there is a decent chance that someone better than Davis or Bustamante can win.

That brings us to our second choice, which is, assuming that Davis is recalled, who do we vote for? There, our realistic choices are Bustamante, AS and Tom. For those to the right of Lenin, the choice is between AS and Tom.

Your question should be, why vote for Arnold, and have him win, instead of vote for Tom and have Bustamante or Davis win, but feel better about your candidate.

Because that is the choice for Republicans, between a win by Arnold and a win by Bustamante/Davis. Tom cannot win in a race with Arnold and Bustamante in it, and he cannot expect Arnold to bow out when Arnold has double his support.

If we were looking at a race where Tom was the only Republican running, or where he was within a point or two of winning and of beating Arnold, then all of us would be more free to vote for the candidate with which we more agree. But that is not the situation we face, and failure to recognize that is similar to sticking your head in the sand.

So, your question, reduced to its essence is this: What do you hope to gain if you vote for Arnold instead of for Tom? The immediate gain of a vote for Arnold is, of course, the hope of a win of the governorship for Arnold, instead of a Davis or Bustamante governorship. From an Arnold governorship, what will be different and better for Republicans that we don't have now???????

There are many, many things that can be listed. Here's just what I can think of off the top of my head:

1. Repeal of car tax.
2. No new taxes (if you don't believe AS on this, fine, we'll see. However, if he did impose new taxes, they would be less than we would get from Cruz or Joe Davis).
3. An end to most of the lunatic legislation coming out of Sacramento lately, starting with the illegal alien drivers licenses. He is not talking about some of this now due to misplaced concern for the hispanic vote, but I think that the GOP in california will push for reversal of some of these things, and he certainly won't sign any new crazy laws.
4. Reform of workers comp.
5. Cutting the budget some. Not as much as Tom, unfortunately, but he will cut the budget from what the Dems want, and I think he will be willing to wield his veto pen.
6. National politics: He will make it easier for Bush to carry California, which will ensure a big Bush win in 04. He will help the GOP carry some close districts, like one in San Diego where we lost by a percent or two.
7. State court judges. Arnold will appoint people who are not Dem flacks. This is very important.

There are many other reasons I could list, but that's enough for now. There is no issue, none, where Arnold is worse than Davis or Bustamecha, and there are many, many matters of gubernatorial concern where Arnold is a major improvement on what we have now. As a homeowner whose livelihood and net worth is dependant on an improvement in the business climate in California, I will be very happy to see whatever improvement we can get in Sacramento. If things stay as they are, this state could be in serious trouble.

Those are the reasons I will vote for Arnold instead of Tom. Please don't throw your votes away voting for purity instead of improvement. Tom will make a great candidate for Boxer's seat, if he doesn't make too many people angry by playing the spoiler.

79 posted on 09/29/2003 11:03:46 AM PDT by Defiant (Half a loaf is better than none. Support Arnold, and don't pinch a loaf!)
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What state are you from?
81 posted on 09/29/2003 11:04:18 AM PDT by dirtboy (CongressmanBillyBob/John Armor for Congress - you can't separate them, so send 'em both to D.C.)
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Delphinium,

Let's say you lived in New York and the race for the 2006 senate was between Rudy Giuliani and Hillery Clinton. I bet you would have no problem voting for Rudy.

Guess what. His politics are 99.9% the same as Arnold's
98 posted on 09/29/2003 11:11:23 AM PDT by b-cubed
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I thought we were voting for governor, not school officials.
101 posted on 09/29/2003 11:12:23 AM PDT by MistrX
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