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Pat Buchanan: "Iraq, Tet, George W., and LBJ"
WND.com ^ | 09-29-2003 | Buchanan, Patrick J.

Posted on 09/29/2003 7:14:59 AM PDT by Theodore R.

Iraq & Tet, George W. & LBJ

Posted: September 29, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2003 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

"Things perceived as real are real in their consequences."

So it has been wisely written, and repeated so often it has become a cliche.

The Tet Offensive of 1968 was a desperate roll of the dice by the Viet Cong. It ended in their disastrous defeat. Some 50,000 of its critical cadre were killed, and all the gains of Tet were rolled back by the Americans in three weeks.

But America, which had been hearing only triumphal news of U.S. victories, was stunned by the enemy's capture of Hue and the massacre of 3,000 of its leaders, and by Viet Cong sappers trading fire with Marines on the grounds of the U.S. Embassy in Saigon. And the American media portrayed Tet as a communist triumph.

"If we've lost Walter Cronkite, we've lost the country," LBJ is reputed to have said after Tet, when the CBS anchor declared the war unwinnable. After Tet, the establishment that had marched us into Vietnam broke and joined the antiwar movement, just as soon as Richard Nixon finished taking his oath of office.

George W. Bush is in a situation today similar to that faced by Lyndon Johnson at the time of Tet.

While U.S. casualties in Iraq, five dead a week, do not approach the 150 we lost every week, for seven years, in Vietnam, the home front does call to mind 1968 and even the early Nixon years.

The behavior of Senate Democrats today, savaging the same president they gave a blank check for war last October, may be repellent. But it reflects a cold assessment that President Bush is vulnerable on Iraq, that the postwar mess is erasing in the public's mind the brilliance of our victory, and that his calls to unity and a suspension of politics-as-usual in debating the War on Terror may be safely ignored.

Consider the reaction to Sen. Kennedy's brutal charge that the war was nothing but a "fraud," concocted in Texas, to advance the interests of the GOP. If true, this would be an impeachable offense.

But when the president retorted that the Kennedy accusation was "uncivil," Senate Democrats rallied to Kennedy. Said Sen. Joe Biden, ranking Democrat on Foreign Relations, the Bush administration's "leading members believed we would find an oil-rich functioning country, that we'd be met by cheering crowds, that all we had to do was sweep out the top Baathist layers, implant our favorite exiles, and watch democracy take root as the bulk of our troops returned home by Christmas."

Biden has provided a succinct but accurate description of the neocon party line, prior to the war. What he failed to say is that he, as well as Sens. Kerry, Lieberman, Edwards, Daschle and Clinton, as well as Rep. Gephardt, swallowed that line, or refused to challenge that Utopian vision before transferring to the president their constitutional power to decide on war or peace.

Kennedy's rhetoric was over the top. But, at least, he – and Rep. Kucinich and Gov. Dean – stood up against attacks on their patriotism to oppose the war before, not after, its fruits had turned rancid.

Which brings us back around to President Bush. Whether we are making headway in winning the hearts and minds or the Iraqi people, or whether the Iraqis want us out of their country and support those fighting to throw us out, the perception here in our own country is that Iraq is a mess.

Also clear is that the American people are coming to conclude that we ought to cut our losses, get our troops out and turn it over to the Iraqis, or to the United Nations, as early as the transfer can be arranged.

If Bush intends to fight this war to victory, he had best begin to prepare the American people for the long, hard road ahead. This he has not done. Indeed, every indication is that he, and even Secretary Rumsfeld, have no intention of sending in more U.S. troops, but are looking for the next exit ramp out of Baghdad.

Yet they should know it is not only opportunistic ex-hawks in the Democratic Party who hope to secure advantage out of any debacle of a U.S. retreat. The French, Germans, U.N. and anti-Americans all over the world are slavering over the possibility of a humiliating retreat of the American Empire.

One wonders: Does President Bush realize that by listening to the siren's call of the neocons he has put his presidency in peril? Does he recognize now that they fed him a warmed-over policy they had cooked up long before 9-11, and had even tried to feed Clinton, who had the good sense to reject it?


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: biden; bush; clinton; cronkite; democrats; emk; hue; iraq; johnedwards; lbj; lieberman; neoconservatives; nixon; perception; reality; saigon; tet; vietcong; vietnam
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To: ex-snook
Buchanan is a proven loser; a serial loser.
21 posted on 09/29/2003 8:09:17 AM PDT by Consort
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To: Theodore R.
Pat is right when he notes that the Mondale Democrats who had supported "Johnson's war" turned against "Nixon's war" almost literally on Jan. 20, 1969. And Tet was a U.S. victory despite what Walter Cronkite thought "was the way it is."

Well I guess 2 out of 20 ain't bad....

22 posted on 09/29/2003 8:11:07 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Theodore R.
The biggest difference between now and then (and there are a lot of differences), is the 3,000 dead Americans from 9/11.

The Democrats may not see it, but the American people do. We either fight them over there, or we fight them here, those are the only choices we have.

(Another big difference is that big media can not longer control the news. If there was an internet when Tet occurred the lies and propagand told to us by the big three would never have taken hold.

23 posted on 09/29/2003 8:13:52 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: sticker
That synopsis is worth a kudo!
24 posted on 09/29/2003 8:16:40 AM PDT by verity
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To: Valin
Message is If Bush intends to fight this war to victory, he had best begin to prepare the American people for the long, hard road ahead. This he has not done. Indeed, every indication is that he, and even Secretary Rumsfeld, have no intention of sending in more U.S. troops, but are looking for the next exit ramp out of Baghdad.

Do you agree with that? Other than Bush talk the talk 'we are in for a long fight', we are not getting the walk the walk with costs and a plan.

Pat is right, we have more an exit strategy than a long fight strategy.

25 posted on 09/29/2003 8:19:19 AM PDT by ex-snook (Americans needs PROTECTIONISM - military and economic.)
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To: Theodore R.
"If Bush intends to fight this war to victory, he had best begin to prepare the American people for the long, hard road ahead. This he has not done."

Pat has lost the ability to read and comprehend, so he probably needs to listen to GWB's speeches live.

Sad, but Pat is getting the Barry Goldwater disease.

Will someone just shoot me when I get old and senile?

26 posted on 09/29/2003 8:20:11 AM PDT by G.Mason (Lessons of life need not be fatal)
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To: Theodore R.
"Does he recognize now that they fed him a warmed-over policy they had cooked up long before 9-11..."

Does Pat recognize that this war kicks one leg out from under Islamist terrorism? Does he recognize that we are within reach of a democratic middle east? If Iraq is made secure, it will provide the anchor for a bulwark of modern states: Turkey, Iraq, Israel, and possibly Jordan and Egypt.

It's not a perfect world, Pat. Accept it. Russia is not perfect but it is better, and Reagan made it so. Bush's policies will obtain the same result if backbiters like you just shut up.

28 posted on 09/29/2003 8:29:02 AM PDT by tsomer (almost housebroken)
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To: GoOrdnance
"Instead, it's high time that the critics of the war shut up, pledged their support to the Bush administration, "

How long until critics should be allowed to criticize the administration again?

Are they allowed to ask where the NBC weapons we were told about literally hundreds of times in the months leading up to war are, or is that question imappropriate?
29 posted on 09/29/2003 8:31:09 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Theodore R.
Why does Pat remind me of the BS that comes from Jimmy Carter
30 posted on 09/29/2003 8:34:27 AM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: Huck
As usual, PJB is all pontification, zero data. How does Pat know what conclusion "the American people are coming to?" He doesn't say, rendering his article useless.


http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

Some polls are closely split on Iraq are this juncture......
31 posted on 09/29/2003 8:41:09 AM PDT by deport
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To: Theodore R.
One wonders: Does President Bush realize that by listening to the siren's call of the neocons he has put his presidency in peril?

HEre is where Pat is full of it. It was the Powell/armitage/Rice cabal which opposed extending troops into Syria and keeping troops in to secure the borders which left our guys at greater risk. And it is the MEDIA which is falsely reporting we are losing in Iraq when EVEN THE SAUDIS say we are winning.

32 posted on 09/29/2003 8:59:54 AM PDT by montag813
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To: ex-snook
Time for all the 'kill the messenger' crowd to emerge because they can't refute the message.

Perhaps the crowd that chooses to deny political reality and despises anyone who speaks of it is the same crowd that, nearly always, succumbs to the political lies that preceded and, in lieu of any rational defense of their willingness to go along with all that political deceit, they offer only an emotional tantrum.

33 posted on 09/29/2003 9:10:13 AM PDT by eskimo
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To: Theodore R.
Whatever poor, undeserving 3rd Party gets bullied into being a pulpit for Deracinated Pat in 2004 should henceforth adopt the ostrich as it's official symbol. While Bush I drew a line in the sand prior to Gulf War I, Buchanon stuck his head in the same, porous medium.

This probably occurred because he had grown incontinent as he aged and could no longer maintain his head in it's prior location.
34 posted on 09/29/2003 9:10:19 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (redruM's Advice -- NEVER steal the ID of a registered sex offender!)
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To: .cnI redruM
Mostly what we have seen on the postings about today's Buchanan column are personal attacks and little refutation of evidence and facts. Aren't the personal attacks forbidden on this forum? Some have been especially vicious.
35 posted on 09/29/2003 9:12:47 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: montag813
Does President Bush realize that by listening to the siren's call of the neocons he has put his presidency in peril?

It seems to me that we cannot yet answer this question, but time will answer it for us.
36 posted on 09/29/2003 9:14:05 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: prairiebreeze
pat and alan keyes....
working in tandem to split off the "true conservatives" from the republican party...

Judge Moore and Tom McClinton for president....
run by the "reform" party or "constitutional" party or...
whatever.
you get my drift.

Classic Triangulation is moving in to full swing...
Hillary - Clark on the Center left... and right wing zealots on the religious right... funded by hillary, will move to squeeze W out of the oval office... and oooze hillary in...

that's whassup folks.
37 posted on 09/29/2003 9:18:47 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (robert... the rino...)
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To: Theodore R.
>>>>> Aren't the personal attacks forbidden on this forum? Some have been especially vicious.

Apparantly all the PJB fans who go off on Bush at the drop of the hat, were not on the circulation list for that particular memo.
38 posted on 09/29/2003 9:29:04 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (redruM's Advice -- NEVER steal the ID of a registered sex offender!)
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To: Theodore R.
IMO, the best kind of President is the kind who is happy to be a one term President who will do what he feels in his heart is the right thing to do. As compared to the former slime ball occupant of the White House who thought the best way to conduct the business of the country was with his pants down.

39 posted on 09/29/2003 9:43:25 AM PDT by Chu Gary
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To: Theodore R.
"refutation of evidence and facts"

If Bush intends to fight this war to victory, he had best begin to prepare the American
people for the long, hard road ahead. This he has not done. Indeed, every indication is that
he, and even Secretary Rumsfeld, have no intention of sending in more U.S. troops, but are
looking for the next exit ramp out of Baghdad.

Apparently Mr. Buchanan has a faulty, or selective, memory. This from President Bush's recent speech to the UN:

Two years ago, I told the Congress and the country that the war on
terror would be a lengthy war, a different kind of war, fought on
many fronts in many places. Iraq is now the central front. Enemies
of freedom are making a desperate stand there - and there they
must be defeated. This will take time, and require sacrifice.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/2462432/detail.html

 

Too bad Mr. Buchanan failed to do a "Google News" search, he would have discovered that the administration is getting ready to send 15,000 more troops to Iraq.

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&edition=us&q=more+troops+iraq&btnG=Search+News

 

anti-Americans all over the world are slavering over the possibility of a humiliating
retreat of the American Empire.

Just as you seem to be, Mr. Buchanan. Go, Pat, Go...Please.

DG

40 posted on 09/29/2003 9:47:02 AM PDT by DoorGunner (DG=Fool, Liar, and sinner, [and EEEEEEvil Fundie] (Non Hæretico Comburendo))
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