Posted on 09/28/2003 6:08:11 PM PDT by JohnSmithee
His problem is to be consistent in his logic. I can respect people who I disagree with when they have different political views, but are consistent in their logic. Dershovitz demonstrated a number of times that the Leftists don't apply to Israel the same set of standards they are applying to everybody else. (for that matter Pat Buchanan, Charley Reese, Joe Sobran and in less degree, but still regretfully my local talk-show man Ron Smith: their logic stops at the doorsteps of Israel).
Who "discredited" Joan Peters' book? Finkelstein. How did he "discredit" it? He said so. Did he actually disprove any of her facts? Not one.
Did you intentionally spell it like that, or was it just a freudian slip? ;)
Over the years, Dershowitz has gone out of his way in advocating the removal of any manifestation of Christianity in the public arena citing the separation of Church and State, as well as attacking the conservative establishment in numerous other ways under the guise of civil rights. When he discovered his leftist buddies were no longer enamored of Israel, he started playing a different tune. This hypocritical, unprincipled showboat deserves nothing but derision as far as I am concerned.
To mention only a few of the reviews, Walter Reich in The Atlantic (July 1984), Ronald Sanders in The New Republic (April 23, 1984), Bernard Gwertzman in The New York Times (May 12, 1984), and Daniel Pipes in Commentary (July 1984) were among the more favorable. Alexander Cockburn and Edward Said in The Nation (October 13, 1984 and October 19, 1985), Norman G. Finkelstein in In These Times (September 5–11, 1984), Bill Farrell in the Journal of Palestine Studies (Fall 1984), and Ian and David Gilmour in The London Review of Books (February 7, 1985) have been critical of Peters's book. [2] See, for example, Bernard Lewis's The Jews of Islam (Princeton University Press); reviewed by Norman Stillman in The New York Review (October 25, 1984). [3] She should also consult the evidence in Tom Segev's 1949 — The First Israelis, published in Israel in 1984 and to be published in the US by Macmillan in 1986. It was reviewed by Avishai Margalit in The New York Review (September 26, 1985). [4] See, for example, the articles cited above by Farrell and the Gilmours. [5] Ketavim le-Toldot Hibbat Zion, Vol. I (Odessa, 1919) and Vol. II (Tel Aviv, 1925). These were republished by the Institute for Zionist Research at Tel Aviv University: Vol. I, 1980–1981; Vol II, 1984–1985.
BOTTOM LINE: CONSERVATIVES LOVE IT, ARAB-RUMP-SUCKING LEFTISTS HATE IT.
Is that your best attempt at a refutation? BTW, I'm no fan of either the Arabs or their culture; my interest in that dispute extends only as far as the U.S has been forced into being involved with it.
Only on matters concerning Israel. He spent the entire 90's covering up for and apologizing for the clintoons and to this day I'll bet that he STILL supports hitlery.
Oh, there's a pair of honest, objective reviewers. NOT.
Obviously you do have an ax to grind which you attempt to disguise behind this lame "no foreign aid" excuse. It's only Israel you have a problem with sending foreign aid to, you never complain independently about foreign aid to Egypt or any other third world Islamic tyranny.
Check my past posts, I've describe our aid to Turkey, Pakistan, and Egypt as a total waste as opposed to Israel where we at least get a little something back for our generosity. You and dennisw seem to have some sort of knee-jerk reaction to anyone who expresses even the most minor criticism of Israeli policy as being hostile to Israel. Your impression of me is quite off base and makes me conclude that you are some kind of zionist extremist.
That's right. Go f' with some other foreign country and get off of your Israel obsession. Show a few sparks of creativity instead of trolling.
How long do you think it will be before this "pro-Israel" publicity hound is out bashing Bush for some Democratic peacenik, like his good buddy Al Gore from whom he has claimed Bush stole the election? He probably still thinks that Gore would have nuked the entire Arab world for "liberal Israel."
This is the jackass who screamed that the people who wanted to remove Clinton from office were "genuine evil." For a CHaBa"D group to have him as its advisor is scandalous.
This is the hypocritical shyster who has made a living defending the guilty by blaming their sins on "the root causes of crime," yet now attacks more internally consistent leftists who blame the PLO's crimes on the "root causes of terrorism." And who gets blamed for his transparent hypocrisy? The "evil" Israelis, the Jewish community, and Israel's supporters, that's who!
This is the same moron who debated against another friend of Israel, Alan Keyes, in a debate as to whether or not our rights are based on the laws of G-d. His claim? That we have rights not because of any G-d but because "that is the kind of nation we have decided to be." Funny how Mr. Dershowitz Esq. spends so much time arguing against people who apparently weren't in on this "agreement," and on whom he apparently believes the "agreement" should be forced against their will. How "liberal!"
Finally, Dershowitz has claimed that G-d is "a work in progress" (which is how liberals say they haven't yet arrived at their final conclusions). In light of that quotation his acceptance by a CHaBa"D group is nothing less than a chillul HaShem.
He and Finkelstein deserve each other. I hope they take each other out.
LOL! Love your new tagline!
Actually dennis, I'm not the one with the obsession, but your projection of such speaks for itself; any casual observer of this thread could easily discern what actually is the case here. As far as my creativity is concerned, I do speak the truth as I see it; just because I'm not a bush-bot nor Israel-bot doesn't especially qualify me as being a creative poster.
As I said, he's merely Pat Buchanan in reverse. And "palaeos" (people who deny objective religious truth and believe each "autochthonous" people creates its own spiritual reality) will merely derive aid and comfort from his "pro-Israel" stance. This merely "proves" (they will claim) that the "real Communists" are still working for the Jews and that anti-Israel communism is communism over which its "creators" have lost control. This type of blasphemy which someone like Dershowitz cannot but encourage (with his ultra-leftist politics) is not funny and I would gladly do without "supporters" like him.
I'm glad to see Finklestein take apart that self-serving egotitical blowhard for plagerizing Joan Peter's discredited book.
I know nothing about the Peter book, but if it is pro-Israel and Dershowitz is discrediting it with his hypocrisy, then this merely proves my thesis.
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