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Earth: no longer the lonely planet
SpaceRef ^ | 9/26/03

Posted on 09/27/2003 7:19:20 AM PDT by KevinDavis

The question of whether we're alone in the universe just got a lot bigger.

Two astronomers from the University of New South Wales, Australia - Dr Charles Lineweaver and Daniel Grether - have found that at least 25 per cent of Sun-like stars have planets.

"This means there are at least 100 billion stars with planets in our Galaxy," says Dr Lineweaver, a Senior Research Fellow at the University's School of Physics.

Until now, astronomers believed that only five to 15 per cent of Sun-like stars had orbiting planets, but Lineweaver and Grether's work shows that previous estimates under-reported the proportion of so-called extrasolar planets.

The Astrophysical Journal, the world's leading journal of astrophysics, has accepted their research for publication.

Astronomers have been carefully monitoring 2,000 nearby stars for the presence of orbiting extrasolar planets.

"To date, they've detected a hundred or so, meaning the fraction of stars with extrasolar planets was around five per cent," says Dr Lineweaver.

"But most planets are too small or take too long to orbit their host stars to be detected. For example, if the Sun were one of the stars being monitored, we still wouldn't have detected any planets around it.

"Using a new method to correct for this incompleteness, we found that at least 25 per cent of Sun-like stars have planets."

Dr Lineweaver believes that the figure of at least 100 billion stars with orbiting planets could be on the low side when it comes to cosmic counting. It could be that close to 100 per cent of stars have planets.

"Given that there are about 400 billion stars in our Galaxy alone, it means there could be up to 400 billion stars with planets," he says.

"With about 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe, our result suggests that there are at least 10 trillion planetary systems in the Universe."

'What Fraction of Sun-like Stars have Planets?' by Charles H Lineweaver and Daniel Grether will be published later this year. It is available online.

Dr Lineweaver is an ARC Senior Research Fellow and Senior Lecturer, School of Physics, UNSW. Daniel Grether is working on a PhD.


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I think we will find a Earth like planet in 20 - 30 years. Any takers?
1 posted on 09/27/2003 7:19:21 AM PDT by KevinDavis
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To: Normal4me; RightWhale; demlosers; Prof Engineer; BlazingArizona; ThreePuttinDude; Brett66; ...
Space Ping! This is the space ping list! Let me know if you want on or off this list!
2 posted on 09/27/2003 7:20:35 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: KevinDavis
Make that less than 10 years.
3 posted on 09/27/2003 7:21:08 AM PDT by demlosers
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To: KevinDavis
Are you kidding?
Haven't you heard of PN3217? If we get the right coordinates we can visit them all.

Just ask Colonel Hammond.

4 posted on 09/27/2003 7:23:36 AM PDT by Publius6961 (californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: KevinDavis
I agree. How about life in the Sol system (other than earth)? I say we will find it. I don't know about 20-30 years, though.
5 posted on 09/27/2003 7:29:18 AM PDT by gitmo (Zero Tolerance = Intolerance)
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To: PatrickHenry
Science-ping-list ping...
6 posted on 09/27/2003 7:29:55 AM PDT by general_re (SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Quitting Sarcasm Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks To Your Health.)
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To: KevinDavis
I think we will find a Earth like planet in 20 - 30 years. Any takers?

Define "Earth-like."

Are Venus and Mars "Earth-like?"

Or will an Earth-like planet have oceans of water?


7 posted on 09/27/2003 7:33:44 AM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: KevinDavis
A search for habitable planets

Kepler, a NASA Discovery mission, is a spaceborne telescope designed to look for Earth-like planets around stars beyond our solar system.

"The Kepler Mission will, for the first time, enable humans to search our galaxy for Earth-size or even smaller planets," said principal investigator William Borucki of NASA's Ames research Center, Moffett Field,

California. "With this cutting-edge capability, Kepler may help us answer one of the most enduring questions humans have asked throughout history: Are there others like us in the universe?"


Kepler will detect planets indirectly, using the "transit" method. A transit occurs each time a planet crosses the line-of-sight between the planet's parent star that it is orbiting and the observer. When this happens, the planet blocks some of the light from its star, resulting in a periodic dimming. This periodic signature is used to detect the planet and to determine its size and its orbit.

Three transits of a star, all with a consistent period, brightness change and duration, provide a robust method of detection and planet confirmation. The measured orbit of the planet and the known properties of the parent star are used to determine if each planet discovered is in the habitable zone; that is, at the distance from its star where liquid water could exist on the surface of the planet.

The industrial partner for development of the hardware is Ball Aerospace & Technologies Corp., based in Boulder, Colorado. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

Scheduled to launch in 2007, Kepler will hunt for planets using a specialized one-meter diameter telescope called a photometer to measure the small changes in brightness caused by the transits.

The key technology at the heart of the photometer is a set of charged coupled devices (CCDs) that measures the brightness of hundreds of thousands of stars at the same time. CCDs are the silicon light-sensitive chips that are used in today's TV cameras, camcorders and digital cameras. Kepler must monitor many thousands of stars simultaneously, since the chance of any one planet being aligned along the line-of-sight is only about 1/2 of a percent.

Over a four-year period, Kepler will continuously view an amount of sky about equal to the size of a human hand held at arm's length or about equal in area to two "scoops" of the sky made with the Big Dipper constellation. In comparison, the Hubble Space Telescope can view only the amount of sky equal to a grain of sand held at arms length, and then only for about a half-hour at a time.

NASA selected Kepler as one of two Discovery missions from 26 proposals made in early 2001. The missions must stay within the Discovery Program's development cost cap of about $299 million. The Discovery Program emphasizes lower-cost, highly focused scientific missions.

8 posted on 09/27/2003 7:39:39 AM PDT by demlosers
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To: KevinDavis
I think we will find a Earth like planet in 20 - 30 years. Any takers?

Would it matter? Whatever we find will be too far away to have anything to do with it.

Second, the methods used to determine that a planet is "earth like" will likely disappoint you and make you question whether we've found what someone says we've found. If you think we're using powerful telescopes and actually looking at the alleged planets, guess again.

9 posted on 09/27/2003 7:40:34 AM PDT by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: KevinDavis
Watching an Ant Farm as a kid....I often wondered if they had any idea I was observing their behavior...
10 posted on 09/27/2003 7:42:37 AM PDT by M-cubed
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To: demlosers

11 posted on 09/27/2003 7:43:27 AM PDT by demlosers
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To: Sabertooth
You've got it.

A clear definition of the term "Earth-like" is everything.

"Earth-like" can simply mean "ball of rock and metal" as opposed to the Jupiter-like "ball of swirling gases".

What size range are we looking for? Any moons?

Is an extrasolar planet "Earth-like" if it orbits way too close or far from its parent star to support life? What if it's in an extreme orbit in a binary star system?

Does "Earth-like" presuppose a magnetic field?

And what if the candidate planet had a poisonous atmosphere (or none)?


12 posted on 09/27/2003 7:45:22 AM PDT by petuniasevan (Microbiology Lab: Staph Only!)
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To: demlosers
Kepler will detect planets indirectly, using the "transit" method. A transit occurs each time a planet crosses the line-of-sight between the planet's parent star that it is orbiting and the observer. When this happens, the planet blocks some of the light from its star, resulting in a periodic dimming. This periodic signature is used to detect the planet and to determine its size and its orbit.

Which makes me question this whole "25% of stars have planets" thing. In order to detect an alleged planet, the planet has to pass between us and the remote star - that is, transit across the face of the star from our point of view. Now, think about that. What if we're not aligned with the ecliptic of that system. We'd never even see a single planet yet the system may have many.

And searching for rhythmic flickers in remote stars is far less glamorous than some of these articles try to make it sound in our "search for habitable planets".

Man, I must be in a bad mood or something. I love science and astronomy - I guess I just hate the hype sometimes.

13 posted on 09/27/2003 7:46:02 AM PDT by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: KevinDavis
Ok....Let's say we find it. Then what? How much do we spend on a new 'vacation paradise'? I say...they haven't bothered us, why bother them? Don't we have enough to handle here?
14 posted on 09/27/2003 7:46:20 AM PDT by mrtysmm
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To: mrtysmm
Time to build a star ship.
15 posted on 09/27/2003 7:49:06 AM PDT by demlosers
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To: mrtysmm
Hope you've saved up those vacation weeks at work.

It'll take a while to get to that exciting exotic Proxima II.

4.3 light-years in only 50,000,000 years if you floor it!


16 posted on 09/27/2003 7:53:43 AM PDT by petuniasevan (Microbiology Lab: Staph Only!)
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To: petuniasevan

Would an Earth-like planet require a Sol-like solar system?

Would that Sol-like system course placidly on the galactic periphery, as ours does? Wouldn't that exclude a big chunk of the 400 billion stars in the Milky Way as candidates?

Would there be lots of circular orbits, and friendly gas giants sucking up space debris along the perimeter?

Would an Earth-like planet exist in what is basically a binary planetary system, as is ours with our Moon?


17 posted on 09/27/2003 7:57:06 AM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: KevinDavis
Do you mean a planet with intelligent life? Human life? Be more specific, please, then I might take your bet.
18 posted on 09/27/2003 7:58:01 AM PDT by Rocko (Post no Clintons)
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To: Sabertooth
Define "Earth-like." - Are Venus and Mars "Earth-like?" - Or will an Earth-like planet have oceans of water?

Good point, but of billions and billions of planets, the prospects for ertra terrestrial life are fascinating.

19 posted on 09/27/2003 7:59:38 AM PDT by ghostrider
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To: KevinDavis
When you say 'earth-like', do you mean planet filled with idiots like this one?
20 posted on 09/27/2003 8:01:07 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (I like my women like I like my coffee - Hot, and in a big cup)
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