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This is one of the saddest threads I've ever read on FR. To think that young couples and middleaged couples are no longer enjoying the lawful, legitimate pleasures of married life! This is indeed a joyless commentary on the evils of this modern age, which have removed men and women from their original spousal roles.

Now, the young women must go out and compete in a cold, hard world of work and backstabbing cutthroat get-ahead-at-any-cost jobs, and many have lost the sweetness and softness of the women of yesteryear.

Men have become subservient and passive, choosing to spend their leisure time surfing the net, playing video games, or watching TV, instead of being strong and aggressive romantic partners.

It's a wonder any babies are being born at all!

And that's another thing: the young couple spends the first 5-10 years avoiding conception, in favor of accumulating things--cars, house, lavish vacations, all kinds of techie equipment, etc.

When they think they are "finally" ready for a child, the libido fizzles out.

Take it from an old guy with 45 years of fantastic sex behind him; eight children; and numerous grandchildren:

Some of you guys and gals have everything ass backwards!

Hooray for you.. Your post #395 wrapped it all in a nice neat nut-shell.

Men have forgotten how to be men, and women have forgotten how to turn them on. If a man loves "women" because of that fact alone, and not what she looks like or how much she weighs, and especially if the love is still there, they will have no problems with free and easy sex. It takes two to tangle/tango, and a free and open mind to satisfy each other in any way "they" like..

Men and women alike are too busy stroking their toys, instead of stroking each other..

The whole PC world has gone crazy..

Just an older woman'a opinion..;)

And that's another thing: the young couple spends the first 5-10 years avoiding conception, in favor of accumulating things--cars, house, lavish vacations, all kinds of techie equipment, etc.

Any more, it takes 10 years to pay off school loans.

Much has been lost. The last 20 yrs of 'men are dumb' characters on TV, (the only smart ones are evil mysoginistic enviromonsters, gay, or just plain evil), straight male bashing disguised as 'humor' or 'entertainment' haven't helped.

Even those of us who have accomplished enough to have resistance to this constant BS barrage get tired at times. But, then, my wife and I don't often watch sitcoms.

Usually the stopper is simple fatigue, but we are raising two grandchildren,a teenager and a toddler,and that is a workout.

Perhaps you have noticed, the things which traditionally defined masculinity have been derided, and the necessity to regard women in the workplace and elsewhere as genderless drones in order to avoid making some remark which can be characterized as 'sexual harassment' have undermined the traditional flirting rituals between male and female in our society where many reinforced their positive self-image and attractiveness to the opposite sex. Pardon the psychobabble, but I don't know how else to phrase the concept. While this rarely led to adultery,it did make one less likely to be dissuaded or refused at home.

Before CDs, VHS, DSS, DVD, and much Cable TV, the best entertainment was not to be found through electronic means, and with a little care, it was free.

I wonder how many of the affected couples have TV sets in their bedrooms? Get rid of that, go to bed early, and the rest may well take care of itself.