Joseph Sobran "Free and Independent" States No More

Joseph Sobran column ^ | 09-25-03 | Sobran, Joseph

[Chancellor Palpatine]

More stupidity from Sobran.

[Ff--150]

Bump for people starting to catch on =->

[Redbob]

Of course Sobran is right, but since that b@stard Lincoln had his way with the Constitution, things have permanently changed.
So what was his point in writing this?

[billbears]

Of course Sobran is right, but since that b@stard Lincoln had his way with the Constitution, things have permanently changed.

Perhaps if one can stop the deification of this war criminal, then perhaps we could overturn some of his actions that destroyed the Republic

[Chancellor Palpatine]

ROFLMAO - no, I don't have any respect for Sobran or his generally stupid conclusions, nor do I think that the psychotic ranting of neoConfederates has any place at the political table.

[zeugma]

Yes indeed. Anything that could possibly challenge the almighty supreme state can't be anything but stupidity. </sarcasm>

[RipSawyer]

"More stupidity from Sobran."


On the contrary, utter imbecility from Palpatine.

[LiteKeeper]

INTREP

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Nah - I like it when you guys can't pat each other on the back while wishing for those days forgotten without rhetorical consequence.

[Jack Black]

Even so, three states ratified on the express condition that they reserved the right to “resume” or “reassume” the powers they had delegated to the Union — that is, to withdraw from the Union

I like Sobrane for the history in his articles. I'd never heard this before, for instance. People from Texas always say that "Texas is the only state that put the right to leave the Union in their Constitution (or maybe it's the ratificaiton bill?) and the only state that was an independent (western-style) nation prior to joining. The latter is an overstatement, as Joe points out for a brief period each of the 13 originals were independent. I believe there also was a California Republic, though it only lasted for year and had limited acceptance by the rest of the world. I'm not sure the Texas Republic did much better.

[rbmillerjr]

There is some great history in his post, but his conclusion is rather premature.

Our states aren't free compated to what? Are there any freer?

[stand watie]

TRUE!

free dixie,sw

[sheltonmac]

Deo Vindice!

[Spiff]

More stupidity from Sobran.

On the contrary. Sobran makes a compelling argument. Instead of just calling it "stupid" why don't you challenge his points with considered refutations - properly sourced of course.

Not up to the task? Then shut the hell up.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

***snore***

[Spiff]

***snore***

I figured as much...

You can't make a case against Sobran's article because it is too solid. Instead you just call it names. Are you going to put your thumbs in your ears, wiggle your fingers, and give it rasberries too?