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To: HalfFull; Alamo-Girl; JesseShurun; DittoJed2; gore3000; unspun; Pietro; Hank Kerchief
Your argument is that Christ's work on the cross is not enough. What other work is required for salvation?

It is not my argument that Christ "is not enough"!!! Christ is everything, and without Him we are nothing. But He calls us, He comes to us -- are we who are "nothing" become "something," when we answer to His call.

The "work" required for salvation is to accept the Lord, and to live in the Lord. For humans, this is "work," indeed -- in the sense that it is not easy for a man to subdue his natural passions, perceived self-interest, and bodily desires, to put himself into Christ's "yoke," and to be ordered in and by God. It takes humility, and the spirit of submission engendered in and by the love of the Lord, our Savior, Jesus Christ.

To say otherwise would be to make the divine sacrifice on the Cross wholly pointless.

This is hardly a subtle concept, HalfFull. Why do you seem to be struggling with it so?

327 posted on 10/06/2003 11:09:30 AM PDT by betty boop (God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world. -- Paul Dirac)
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To: betty boop
I agree! Here are some supporting Scriptures:

He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. - 1 John 2:4

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast [them] into the fire, and they are burned. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. - John 15:4-8

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. - Galatians 5:22-23


328 posted on 10/06/2003 11:19:35 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
This is hardly a subtle concept, HalfFull. Why do you seem to be struggling with it so?

Please don't be angry, but I'm Not struggling with it at all...just trying to get a consistant answer. You did say back in post 317, didn't you, that you disagreed with my statement that Salvation has NOTHING to do with any work we do.

So...do we now agree?...Christ's finished work on the Cross IS all that is requred for the justification of the believer? (By justification I mean as Unger defines it: a divine act whereby an infinitely Holy God judicially declares a believing sinner to be righteous and acceptable before Him because Christ has borne the sinner's sin on the cross and has become "to us . . . righteousness")

330 posted on 10/06/2003 11:34:53 AM PDT by HalfFull
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To: betty boop
Salvation and sanctification are apples and oranges ... some people confuse glorification too --- real problems here doing that !

To do so is .... pharaseeism - cultism --- anti gospel - christism !
332 posted on 10/06/2003 11:44:45 AM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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