What Is Man?

Various | September 25, 2003 | betty boop

[DittoJed2]

Incidentally, the situation is so touchy that Jesse's last post to you got him banned. The thread is yours.

[betty boop]

DJ2, I am truly sorry for what has happened -- to Jesse and you and the others. I will respect your wishes.

[DittoJed2]

Thank you.

[Alamo-Girl]

I'm so glad you enjoyed the Martin Luther information!

I had not read the actual documents and his testimony. It was certainly astonishing to me, especially these words "my conscience is captive to the word of God. I cannot and will not recant anything, for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. God help me. Amen."

Now, having learned of his personal ordeal from your post, those words are even more piercing. Thank you!!!

[f.Christian]

from another thread ...

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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS

So just for the hell of it, I checked out one of Morris' bible citations, 2nd Timothy 3:2, 4-5. I'm not sure what it all means (verse 1-6 in it's entirety), but I'll be sure to eat my fiber when I'm older. Wouldn't want to upset god with my incontinence!

1. This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3. Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good
4. Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with a divers lusts...


26 posted on 10/06/2003 2:07 PM PDT by whattajoke

[goodseedhomeschool (returned)]

betty do you feel as though I have harrased you in any way? Just curious. I got a freepmail suggesting I have done so and I was wondering why.

[goodseedhomeschool (returned)]

Did I miss something here? I have been away from my computer for a while. Is my opinion of no value to this thread with someone? I know you love me anyway and I love you in the Lord. I was trying to understand the freepmail I got. If there is any person here who thinks I have done something wrong, I would love to hear it from that person. I would address this comment to "all" but under the situation here, I am afraid to talk to anyone now. Maybe that's how "some" want it.
Is Jesse banned now too? Pretty soon it will be a party of all who think the same and noone to disagree with them. (Shrugging). Oh well, maybe that's how they like it.

[goodseedhomeschool (returned)]

OR MAYBE a certain person who hates all of us Christians put together a list of us to try to get banned in the first place. Now that sounds pretty close to what I suspect. Well AG I won't post to you any more, be sure of that.
In fact I can't think of very often I have posted to you of late. Betty, I thought you wanted to discuss this stuff. AG set it up. Is this a discussion for an "elite" group only? AG went to my website trying to get "dirt" on me to get me banned again a month or so ago, it looks like she is not happy with me just leaving her alone, she wants blood too. I have no idea why she feels so compelled to attack me personally. I have left her alone now SHE NEEDS TO LEAVE ME ALONE AS WELL. Stop with the mindgames already. I know real Christians get under the skin of new agers, but that is not my fault, it's hers.

[goodseedhomeschool (returned)]

Ditto that for me ditto. I am through with any thread who has certain posters on it. I had no idea they were plotting such treachery. I thought backbiting and baiting was the liberal's job.

[DittoJed2]

You got the email too, I see. Well, all I have to say is don't invite everyone to a thread if you don't want to hear from everyone. I've never once been told to not post to certain people, though I've been on Virtual Ignore for a while. I've tried to genuinely engage in debate and even backed up a point or two. Doesn't matter. I won't be posting on this thread any more, goodseed, not that I did much to begin with. I've deliberately stayed away from it, but I guess I'm darned if I do darned if I don't.

[goodseedhomeschool (returned)]

I know just how you feel. You can't win (darned if I do and darned if i don't). Yes I got the email too. It totally surprised me too, since I have conducted myself in a good manner and do not know why this happened. YOu know what the Bible says though about the Word and truth searing the ears of the unGodly. Perhaps this is what has happened. I thought these debates were for all. It would seem that if they wanted a private discussion rather than a debate, they would take it to a private source. I'll meet you in another thread somewhere ditto. You have been such a Blessing to me and others. Love in Christ, Goodseed.

[HalfFull]

it's especially pathetic when someone puts you on VI, tells you not to post to him/her, then jumps in the middle of a two-way discussion (uninvited) and starts hurling scripture as a weapon against a supposedly ignored person.

To use scripture to attack/make personal accusations is especially disturbing to me. BB and I were having a normal discourse but this individual would not let things alone.

[goodseedhomeschool (returned)]

HI HalfFull :)
I had to jump in here if it's ok. I know just what you mean. She has put all Christians on VI and then jumps in like that all the time. I wager she has been festering this setup for at least a month now. With the help of a few of her bosom buddies who always bash me and others, of which I'd be good money she has a lot to do with, truth be known. It is known to God though. They cannot hide from Him.
I have never seen such pettiness in my life. (shaking head). HOw sad she is.

[betty boop]

betty do you feel as though I have harrased you in any way?

No, not at all, gshs. I find you a perfectly lovely and gracious person to talk to.

I don't know the source of your FReepmail. But if it comes to you second hand -- that is, not from the person with whom some of your party, at least, seems to have a problem -- I wouldn't read too much into it, or take it too much to heart.

FWIW, there were no "winners" here today.

I've just got to get this off my chest: I have been posting at FR for five-and-a-half years now; and not once have I ever asked the AdminMod to pull a post, or ban anybody. There are two reasons for this:

(1) I truly believe free speech is a great blessing that is absolutely indispensable to the functioning of a civil society under law. It is something that must be defended, almost all of the time (incitement to crime, for instance, would be an exception to protected speech, and quite properly so, IMHO).

(2) I really do think it's better to leave "the public record" intact.

This might strike some readers as a Machiavellian insight; but sometimes what people say about each other sheds more light on the speaker than on his "target."

So I just say, leave it all up there -- let it all hang out. The careless speaker can discredit his entire line of argument by relying on ill-founded maneuvers. And if such backfires get posted "up there" in neon, indefinitely, there might be something there from which the rest of us might draw some timely and practical instruction.

Of course, that question is now moot, WRT some of my more "adversarial" friends at any rate. Good grief, but I find myself already missing them.

I don't mind adversity in the least. In fact, when I sponsor a thread, like this one, truly I want to encourage the broadest diversity of views.

I'll make my case as strongly and fairly as possible, and I expect others to do exactly the same. I just hope with civility and graciousness, if that's at all possible.

But the research! And the resource! that gets built up in this kind of process really is marvelous, extraordinary. So many have helped to make it so.

I humbly hope JimRob will reinstate any present persona non grata established as such on this thread as soon as possible. And that all the parties will make peace with each other. And then we can begin to move on together -- again.

Maybe there can be winners here today. Where do we go from here?

May God grant His grace and blessing on all today's "contestants."

In Christ's love....

[Bernard Marx]

Bump for later.

[goodseedhomeschool (returned)]

I had not thought I had done anything and I appreciate your saying so. YOu may not realize this but there is one who has gone out of her way to harm me and she even plays the VI game with me and I do not deserve it. At this point I have nothing to say to her anyway, but the email I got sure does show what she has been up to of late.
I hope it is ok to post this response, I would not want to get banned just for responing here. I believe in free speech very much. I also believe in truth. I may not be the brightest apple on the tree, but most people know that I tell the truth.

In all truth I do not know why that woman has made it her quest to have me and others banned from FR. She has successfully gotten 2 very good posters who represent true conservatism banned that I know of. When does it stop?
I will not bother you anymore betty. I would not want anyone to misread anything. Good luck in your future.
GSHS

[goodseedhomeschool (returned)]

Afterthought. Maybe she made it her quest to get anyone banned from this site because she herself was banned from a wonderful Christian site for being dishonest. That makes sense. Oh and notice I posted this to myself as not to direct it to anyone.

[goodseedhomeschool (returned)]

When I first came here to FR, I was seeking a great conservative website in which I could fellowship with other like-minded conservatives. Liberals are ruining this country. I was so sick and tired of the liberal left sidedness of television. FreeRepublic is a place where we as conservatives should all be working together to fight liberalism in America. I have to say in all honesty, I never thought that atheists could be conservatives. I have always associated them with liberalism. I don't think I am alone. Can you see my confusion here? I have learned that the evo pushers might well be voting "conservative" or at least since I began reading here. I am not trying to be ugly, I am telling you what I really think. It has surprised me so much to learn this. With all that goes with atheism, I still don't get it. Atheists do not want accountability. They do not want a God to be accountable to. They want to destroy our 10 commandments, push abortion, and so on. I am learning so much. I think there are still some people who come to conservative sites in order to spread disinformation in order to use it against our republican party. Am I the only one who sees this? Doesn't anyone eles get the connection here? True conservatives support the beliefs of our founding fathers in America. True conservatives are usually God fearing people. Someone tell me please, how can we be on the same side as someone who is trying to destroy all these things from within in this country?
I have learned that there are many different opinions here but what are we doing to support our party, our conservative rights as a nation? Will be nitpick our way right into destruction? I SAY NO!!! We have got to decide what we believe in and stick to it. We have got to learn that true conviction comes from God Almighty. Oh never mind, there will be some goof who will reply to this in some ugly way so why bother. Ask yourself this one question. What is this country going to be like for our kids in the next generation if we don't find our grassroots of conservatism and make sure it is not forgotten. Will we politically correctly debate our way into oblivion? I don't know about you guys (this is not directed to anyone who has me on VI) but my child's future is far more important to me than to let the two parties merge into one socialistic party for all because no one stood up for what is right. God says we are either for Him or against Him. This is not a grey philisophical area for me.
Have a Blessed day and pray for our country, our president, our schools and our people.

[betty boop]

gshs, the one thing that must be stopped right now is this "she" language.

I have absolutely had this "she" language, or "the unspeakable one" language, right up to my gills by now; and as far as I'm concerned, it is totally indefensible.

It is completely inconceivable to me that a Christian would use such language in reference to another Christian.

End of story, right there, gshs.

[goodseedhomeschool (returned)]

Nice set up betty. Thanks so much. Yeah I have had it myself. "She" might do to me what she did to a partner this past year. I wonder if she prayed for him too. Toodles.