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Gubernatorial candidates spar in biggest debate of recall election
Sac Bee ^
| 9/24/03
| AP
Posted on 09/24/2003 7:57:34 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
Edited on 04/12/2004 5:58:05 PM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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The most-anticipated debate of California's recall campaign quickly descended into a squabble of overlapping attacks Wednesday, forcing the moderator to tame personal comments by four of the five leading candidates seeking to replace Gov. Gray Davis.
Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante, a Democrat, came under attack for taking millions of dollars in Indian casino money. Actor Arnold Schwarzenegger was criticized for supporting a divisive ballot initiative nine years ago that would have prevented services for the children of illegal immigrants. State Sen. Tom McClintock was told he had the facts backward on the economy, and independent Arianna Huffington was hit for barely paying income taxes.
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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; debate; gubernatorial; recall; recalldebate
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posted on
09/24/2003 7:58:10 PM PDT
by
NormsRevenge
(Burning Clinton's Britches Since 1998)
To: NormsRevenge
What happens if McClintock wins the plurality of votes, but the voters reject the recall of Davis?
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posted on
09/24/2003 8:01:54 PM PDT
by
Graewoulf
To: NormsRevenge
McClintock shines.
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posted on
09/24/2003 8:01:56 PM PDT
by
Joe Bfstplk
(Vote Right or take what's Left.)
To: Graewoulf
We need 50% plus 1 Yes vote to remove Davis on the first part of the two part ballot, If we don't get that first part, it won't matter who got the most votes out of all the replacement candidates..
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posted on
09/24/2003 8:05:40 PM PDT
by
NormsRevenge
(Burning Clinton's Britches Since 1998)
To: NormsRevenge
Was Stratham a R?
New poll on the Side Bar...
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posted on
09/24/2003 8:05:42 PM PDT
by
tubebender
(FReeRepublic...How bad have you got it...)
To: NormsRevenge
Arnold did ok but I thought McClintock really was the most thoughtful and competant and I think that came across strongly. Bustamante came across as amiable but weak, Huffington was a nattering nitwit, Camejo made clear that he's a socialist.
Overall I think McClintock made the best impression and I think he'd make a great governor.
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posted on
09/24/2003 8:05:50 PM PDT
by
Grim
To: Graewoulf
What happens if McClintock wins the plurality of votes, but the voters reject the recall of Davis?
Davis remains in office for the remainder of his term, in that event, and the vote for a successor is moot.
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posted on
09/24/2003 8:05:53 PM PDT
by
pogo101
To: NormsRevenge
This was almost exactly what I expected.
Tom was tops on policy, detail, brevity, lucidity. As usual. As usual, he also was just about a "5" or a "6" out of 10 on the charisma scale.
Arnold ran a prevent defense and benefitted pretty well from Cruz's insipid sucking, Camejo's reflexive leftism and Arianna's shrillness.
Arnold did okay.
This was not the big-stumble-for-Arnold that Tom needed.
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posted on
09/24/2003 8:08:19 PM PDT
by
pogo101
To: tubebender
not sure about Stan the moderator. He had a republican haircut ;-) I reckun he could be an R.
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posted on
09/24/2003 8:08:46 PM PDT
by
NormsRevenge
(Burning Clinton's Britches Since 1998)
To: pogo101
If Davis wins they will not count the replacment candidates
ballot.
To: NormsRevenge
I'd rate the winners this way (NOTE: this rating isn't based on my ideology, or beliefs, but based on who I think had the most passion, the best command of the issues, and the best ability to articulate their position)--
1) McClintock. No doubt. Clearly the most articulate, and best command of the issues. But this is no surprise. This was expected.
2) Peter Camejo. Sincere passion, articulate, good regurgitation of facts. If I were a Democrat, I'd vote for him.
3) Arnold. He didn't embarrass himself. He got some good points across. For someone who has been actively involved in politics for only six weeks, did was credible. He also wasn't intimidated by the others' experience in these kind of settings. He projected confidence and good humor. Clearly, the most personable and likeable candidate.
4) Bustamante. He came across as defensive (Q: What caused the budget crisis? A: "Clearly, we spent too much money."). He was wasn't very decisive, although it did take some courage to say he would raise taxes.
5) Arianna. He not only makes my ears bleed whenever she talks, but she is condescending and rude. She spent so much time attacking Pres. Bush, she should be running in the Democrat primaries, as Arnold pointed out.
Best sign of the evening...Clearly carried by a Freeper: "Don't Cruz with the Booze." Hilarious.
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posted on
09/24/2003 8:14:52 PM PDT
by
My2Cents
(Well...there you go again.)
To: tubebender
Statham used to be a Republican Assemblyman, and (as you could probably tell) a former TV newscaster.
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posted on
09/24/2003 8:15:50 PM PDT
by
My2Cents
(Well...there you go again.)
To: Grim
I saw movies of JFK and Jackie at their wedding on Larry King last night - the charm, the twinkle in the eye just oozed from him. Despite a fairly unsuccesful Presidency he still polls as one of the best all time Presidents. Men wanted to be him, women wanted to have him. Johnson, Carter, Nixon all seemed boring, strident, whatever. Then Reagan came, more charm and twinkle, despite his age and still adored by Republicans. GHB, earnest, accomplished, but predictible. It is imposssible to overstate how much I despise Clinton but to a large part of the population he seemed very charming and many still revere him. The idea I have is that personal charm trumps ability. And Arnold was more charming than Tom and therefore likely to be next governor.
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posted on
09/24/2003 8:17:25 PM PDT
by
Aria
To: My2Cents
Did he represent a district in the upper Sac valley ?
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posted on
09/24/2003 8:17:58 PM PDT
by
tubebender
(FReeRepublic...How bad have you got it...)
To: pogo101
I think this is the key, as you said: Arnold didn't lose. He didn't shine as brightly as Tom, but he didn't hurt himself. He's the frontrunner, and he didn't do or say anything that hurt his frontrunner status. Probably every Arnold supporter would acknowledge that Tom won the debate, but what this means is simply that Tom would make a great spokesman in a Schwartzenegger Administration.
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posted on
09/24/2003 8:18:38 PM PDT
by
My2Cents
(Well...there you go again.)
To: My2Cents
Arnold is a total squish - lets make that clear - his bs prop 49 - health insurance for illegals - he is not a republican
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posted on
09/24/2003 8:18:52 PM PDT
by
Fred
To: NormsRevenge; pogo101
Thanks. It is curious that a majority vote must remove CEO Gray-Davis from office, but it only takes a plurality to replace him. If the majority vote is "Democracy," then what does one call the plurality vote? Maybe a Minorocracy?
To: Aria
I think you're right. As much as "we" here might value content, I think you're comments are dead-on correct, and does play a big part in any election campaign, and gives a boost to Arnold. Thank goodness that Arnold is conservative on economic and fiscal issues, because it looks like he's going to win this.
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posted on
09/24/2003 8:23:36 PM PDT
by
My2Cents
(Well...there you go again.)
To: tubebender
Precisely. Chico, or maybe Redding...anyway, they're both in the same Assembly district.
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posted on
09/24/2003 8:24:56 PM PDT
by
My2Cents
(Well...there you go again.)
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