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Federal court rules against FTC no-call list
CBS MarketWatch.com ^ | 9/24/2003 | William L. Watts

Posted on 09/24/2003 8:47:38 AM PDT by SierraWasp

11:29AM Federal court rules against FTC no-call list by William L. Watts

WASHINGTON (CBS.MW) -- A federal judge in Oklahoma City ruled that the Federal Trade Commission didn't have authority to implement a popular do-not-call list shielding consumers from telemarketing calls, the Direct Marketing Association said. The court reportedly found that statutory jurisdiction for such a list rested with the Federal Communications Commission rather than the FTC. The DMA, a trade group representing telemarketers, brought the suit. In a statement, the organization said it "acknowledges the wishes of millions of U.S. consumers who have expressed their preferences not to receive" telemarketing solicitations. The DMA said it would work with the FTC and the FCC to "evaluate the practical implications" of the judge's decision, which was issued Tuesday.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: donotcall; fcc; federales; ftc; telebastards; teleterrorists
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To: hoosierboy
because I work nights and sleep in the daytime...how would you like them calling you at 2 AM?
261 posted on 09/24/2003 1:08:14 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (shoot low, they are riding sheltlands..)
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To: RJL
I am calling at dinner time..
262 posted on 09/24/2003 1:10:38 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (shoot low, they are riding sheltlands..)
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To: steve-b
I want that number, I work nights, nothing I would like better than to call at 3AM and ask the Judge, "how are you this fine day."

This proves that anyone can buy protection...
263 posted on 09/24/2003 1:13:51 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (shoot low, they are riding sheltlands..)
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To: Crusher138
...but just the thought of what a telemarketer will have to go through just to stay in business makes my head swim.

And my heart sing.

264 posted on 09/24/2003 1:16:22 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Crusher138
What about the poor telemarketing schlub who is a legitamate business man? He now has to spend his time updating the list of people he is allowed to call and, God forbid, he accidentally calls someone who signed up last week and hasn't been updated on his list yet. The least that will happen is he will have to hire a lawyer and fight it. At worst he could have to pay thousands of dollars of fines.

Then we have the yo-yo customer who says or thinks they are on the list and complains. What happens then? Is the complaint dropped or followed through on anyway?

I'm not a telemarketer, but just the thought of what a telemarketer will have to go through just to stay in business makes my head swim.

You get the feeling that they really want to put telemarketers out of business, but know that they can't do that legally, so they are going to regulate them to death instead.

****

Cry me a river.

What about the experienced electrician who must now take a test, pay for a license, go through continuing education classes, take out permits, etc? All this because a body of voters determined that it was in the public's interest to do so.

Or the funeral director who must now install ventihaltion systems in embalming rooms and go through OSHA Bloodborne Pathogens training? All this because a body of voters determined that it was in the public's interest to do so.

Look, all businesses are subject to regulation and impositions on their business.

But the past history of excesses within the telemarketing industry as a whole has invited this intrusion into their businesses.

And if this "industry" completely disappeared, would anyone really miss it?

265 posted on 09/24/2003 1:37:52 PM PDT by Sideshow Bob
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To: Professional
Actually, I did mention the "simple" things in my first post. I'll repeat them for you. Here's how you avoid being called...

In other words, you are suggesting that every person in the US go through all this effort, simply because you are personally unwilling to expend a similar amount of effort to scrub your own calling list against the FTC's DNC list.

Posting guidelines prevent me from stating what I think of your suggestions.

266 posted on 09/24/2003 1:39:58 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: justlurking
Posting guidelines prevent me from stating what I think of your suggestions.

So, if I have a difference of opinion, very detailed on the subject matter, and you disagree, you'd like to threaten me or verbally abuse me? Does that seem rational to you?

You have no legal right to avoid being annoyed or inconvenienced. Full implementation of the dnc list would more than annoy or inconvenience you. Take a little trip with your imagination on the cause and effect of the legislation.

267 posted on 09/24/2003 1:46:26 PM PDT by Professional
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To: SierraWasp
JIMMY CARTER JUDGE

The idiocy of liberals is again shown, front and center, for the world to see.

268 posted on 09/24/2003 2:00:31 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Professional
PThe free market was doing a fantastic, and profitable job, of fighting unwanted telephone solicitation.

Not to disagree with the points in your post, but the free market wasn't doing a good job of advertising these features. All I know about and have is caller ID and mine doesn't distinguish between telemarketers and friends who have unlisted numbers or cell phones. So I end up letting my phone ring through to the voice mail all the time. Sometimes friends are calling who want to do something, but they assume I'm not home if the voice mail picks up and they don't leave a message. It's a royal pain in the neck.

269 posted on 09/24/2003 2:02:39 PM PDT by cantfindagoodscreenname (SAVE THE BLACK FLY)
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To: Professional
So, if I have a difference of opinion, very detailed on the subject matter, and you disagree, you'd like to threaten me or verbally abuse me? Does that seem rational to you?

I've already demonstrated that your technical objections (regarding filtering call lists against the DNC list) are bogus.

You simply don't want to expend the effort, and instead insist that everyone else expend more effort to avoid you.

That may be rational in your little world, but in mine it is not just inconsiderate -- it's theft of my time and everyone else's.

You have no legal right to avoid being annoyed or inconvenienced.

So, that makes it OK, in your book? And you wonder why most people think that telemarketers are pond scum?

Full implementation of the dnc list would more than annoy or inconvenience you. Take a little trip with your imagination on the cause and effect of the legislation.

Whine, bitch, and moan all you want, but a full implementation of the DNC list will have no effect on me. I have more consideration for my potential customers than that.

What it will do is give me back the time I spend answering the phone and telling a persistent telemarketer repeatedly that I am not interested. I won't have to play whack-a-mole and do it again every time a boiler room operation goes through a "reorganization" under a different name.

If you find yourself unemployed, that's your problem. The rest of the US does not owe you a living.

270 posted on 09/24/2003 2:08:43 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname
All I know about and have is caller ID and mine doesn't distinguish between telemarketers and friends who have unlisted numbers or cell phones. So I end up letting my phone ring through to the voice mail all the time. Sometimes friends are calling who want to do something, but they assume I'm not home if the voice mail picks up and they don't leave a message. It's a royal pain in the neck.

I work out of my home, and these measures aren't feasible. Caller ID isn't reliable, and screening calls results in another round of phone tag.

271 posted on 09/24/2003 2:10:53 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: SierraWasp
This "crackpot"court has no authority to issue a ruling!CONGRESS MAKES THE LAWS,THE COURT HAS NO RIGHT TO CHANGE IT WITH A RULING.The courts should do as they are told!
272 posted on 09/24/2003 2:11:28 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: gitmo
No one has said the telemarketers should not be allowed to solicit sales over the phone. What the FTC did was allow the individual to put a "No thanks" sign out, meaning "Don't bother me. I'm not interested."

You make a good point. You'd think that the telemarketers would be happy now that they have a list of people who actually WANT to be called (by default, that is). They won't have to deal with whistles being blown in their ears and having people hang up on them.

273 posted on 09/24/2003 2:11:52 PM PDT by cantfindagoodscreenname (SAVE THE BLACK FLY)
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname
Your phone service can notify "blocked" calls, that you don't accept them, and that they need to enter their number.
274 posted on 09/24/2003 2:12:19 PM PDT by Professional
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To: justlurking
Are you sure that they are calling you? You seem very upset about all this, and maybe you're imagining most of the calls? As far as going unemployed, not going to happen as I manage enough money to move way up over that threshold. In fact, I'd probably benefit from it, since so many of my competitors would be shut down, practically overnight.

The major wirehouses, while they will not admit it, would need to completely change the way they do business. Out of the top floor, down to the main street, fire 70% of their staff, drastically increase print and radio ads.

And if you don't care about the financial markets, brokers, etc., then I'd ask you just who the heck is going to raise capital for our free world?

While you get angry with me, you don't seem to understand my point, a valid argument from the other side. The govt shouldn't be in the business of regulating phone calls, the legislation was poorly drafted, and nearly impossible to comply with. Additionally, it would have a very negative effect on our economy. You, the phone user, have the power to eliminate 98% of what it is that is bothering you. Isn't that enough control?

275 posted on 09/24/2003 2:19:19 PM PDT by Professional
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To: Rodney King
Read post 39.
276 posted on 09/24/2003 2:37:38 PM PDT by unixfox (Close the borders, problems solved!)
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To: Tall_Texan; Chancellor Palpatine; Lazamataz
It worked for John Wayne Gacy. (Isn't that the clown in the picture?).

Ohmigod. You're exactly right........

John Wayne Gacy - scroll down to see picture

277 posted on 09/24/2003 2:40:28 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Well yeah!

Gacy is my hero. What a man, a plan, and a clown suit can accomplish.... *sigh*.....

278 posted on 09/24/2003 2:41:31 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I am the extended middle finger in the fist of life.)
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To: Crusher138
What about the poor telemarketing schlub who is a legitamate business man? He now has to spend his time updating the list of people he is allowed to call and, God forbid, he accidentally calls someone who signed up last week and hasn't been updated on his list yet.

The list is not a real-time thing. It is only published at certain times and the telemarketers will have some time from the publication date to update their systems. For example: the first batch of numbers was published Sept. 1 but do not go into effect until Oct. 1.

279 posted on 09/24/2003 2:41:42 PM PDT by kevkrom (This tag line for rent)
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To: Professional
drastically increase print and radio ads.

Geez - maybe that will CREATE jobs in THAT industry, perhaps?!

280 posted on 09/24/2003 2:45:37 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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