Assassin secretly deported after JFK killed

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, September 24, 2003

[BigBobber]

The back of Kennedy's head was blown out according to the undertaker. That was no "graze" but a blast. Kennedy was hit three times: the back, the throat and the head. AND Connelly was hit.

Your facts are wrong. The head shot entered the upper right right part of the skull and exited the side of the skull. Kennedy was looking down and to the left towards his wife when the bullet hit. His head position when the fatal shot hit can be seen clearly in the Zapruder film. This means the fatal shot would have missed if another inch or two to the right.

The back of Kennedy's head was not blown out. The back of his head can be clearly seen after the fatal shot, intact, on the Zapruder film. It can also be clearly seen that right side of the head is the part that was blown out.

Second, the back shot was a miss, by about a foot, for someone aiming at the head. If was probably not a fatal shot. There is no credible evidence of a forth shot. The back and throat shots were the same. The bullet entered the back about the top of the shoulder blades and exited the lower part of the throat. Put your own hands on those points yourself, sitting in your chair, and you will see these points line up.

The facts are clear. One fatal shot out of three attempts. The target was moving quite slowly, in line with the shooter's viewpoint, MAXIMUM range of 88 yards. Any sharpshooter who cannot make one shot out of three under these conditions should be moved to a desk job.

[justshutupandtakeit]

They are not "my" facts but statements about the head wound made by one of the men who worked on JFK's body preparing it for the casket. I don't have the name with me at the moment. He also described a small entrance hole in the front of the head. Part of the back of his head was found on the street. The shot that hit him from the front blew it out and sprayed blood, and head fragments all over the back of the car and the people behind it. It is possible what you refer to in Z is the scalp overlaying the bone, I can't really picture exactly what you are referring to.

The position of the back shot is too low to line up with a throat exit. This is shown by the shirt and coat holes and even the autopsy notes, if I am not mistaken.

[BigBobber]

Look at Zapruder frame 313 here (Warning: not for the squeamish):

http://www.jmasland.com/z_color/z-313.jpg

This is right after the fatal shot. All the damage and ejecta are to the right front of Kennedy's head. The back of his head, which all the conspiracy folks say was blown away, is intact and undamaged. It couldn't be any clearer.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Thanks for your attempt to clarify your comment, I don't agree with your interpretation, if anything the ejecta seem to be going to the side not the front, not the back either but just the side. This makes no sense for either a front or back shot but does imply the bullet could have been an explosive one. Nor does it explain the part of his head blown onto the trunk of the car (which Jackie was trying to get) or onto the street behind the car or the shower of blood/brains which landed on the motorcycle cop. There was not enough blasted into the car for the shot to have been a rear shot from above. That cloud in the picture should have had a downward motion to it in such a case not more or less parallel to the street as it seems to have.

The undertaker I earlier referenced did not say the scalp was missing from the back of the head but that bone was missing. He also stressed that there was no damage to the face except for a small hole in the left forehead, consistent with an entry wound from the front. At rear shot from the TBS would have produced an exit wound which would have damaged the face as best as I can figure.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Like the Bible-thumper both groups depend heavily upon miracles to make their points. However, I have more faith in the B-ts since I can clearly see that the WC was NOT of divine origin or sanction, though its staunce defenders are the loudest Amen Corner I have ever heard.

[Shooter 2.5]

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/lateral.gif

Compare this to frame 313.

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It's within the limits of possibility that the Mafia wanted to kill Kennedy, and that they went overseas to get an assassin (though they must have more than enough killers at home). But what interest would the French mob have in killing JFK? What could Johnson do that Kennedy couldn't? And why would the Vietnamese whom Kennedy's administration put into power a few weeks before want to kill him? It would take time for them to get to know Kennedy, Johnson, and the other players in the alleged conspiracy. There wasn't enough time for them to scout out whether they'd benefit from such a conspiracy, let alone to find out whether the other players were reliable.

I guess if there was a conspiracy, government agencies would be likely to be involved and some sort of "compartmentalization" would be likely to be practiced, but I have to wonder what the benefit of tying in other groups would be. The more groups involved, the more likely something would be to go wrong, and the more chance there would be of screw-ups or betrayal. I could see a small group within the CIA reaching out to one of these groups for manpower, but to approach and bring in people from all three is unlikely, and probably unnecessary to achieving their aim.

If we have to believe that there was a conspiracy, we can speculate about how it could have been done -- with small groups, each concerned with one little piece of the plan and ignorant of the rest. But these writers will have to provide more evidence before they convince me. Higher-ups in the Mafia and other clandestine groups would probably have to be made aware of the goal of the conspiracy, and it's not clear that they would have signed on.

[Leatherneck_MT]

"Any sharpshooter who cannot make one shot out of three under these conditions should be moved to a desk job. "

He was, he was a radar operator. Furthermore the facts are not wrong. The doctors at Parkland very plainly stated where the exit wound is but their testimony was ignored until after a book came out "Conspiracy of Silence", revealed what they knew. The book was written by one of the doctors on duty there that day. He was present in the emergency room during the attempts to save the president's life.

[Shooter 2.5]

So every Marine isn't a rifleman?

I'll be sure to pass on that information.

[Leatherneck_MT]

Every Marine is first and foremost trained as a rifleman, but again, Oswald didn't have the skill.

Shooter, did I or anyone else offend you in a previous life? Your vitriolic venom and snide comments and remarks are so out of line in this situation it's not funny.

Your sarcasm is past the point of being rude, it's now become obnoxious. If you can't discuss a topic without becoming snide or sarcastic, why even discuss a topic? Can you answer me that or will you continue on with your sarcastic, snide attitude.

We can argue and disagree with each other without becoming disagreeable and petty.

[Shooter 2.5]

Let's use your timeline of 6.8 seconds for this post.

Two out of three hits. 6.8 seconds[your time] Load, fire, load and fire. Head and shoulders target at 40-45 and 88 yards.

And you're claiming a Marine Sharpshooter can't make those hits? You're also claiming that WWII rifle ammunition just enters two inches of flesh and bounces out to nowhere not once but twice[throat and back wounds]

And you want to know why I'm sarcastic?

[Leatherneck_MT]

It's plain to me now that you do not wish to discuss the entire issue, nor do you wish to discuss it in an adult manner. Take your childish attitude and continue to rant and rave if you so desire, but I will skip over anything else you say from here on out. You obviously don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.

Furthermore I will respond to no more of your posts. I don't teach pigs to sing.

[Shooter 2.5]

I don't teach pigs to sing.

That's the second time you have used that term and I'm supposed to be the one that's rude?

Apparently, you haven't the knowledge to discuss the issue of disappearing bullets or the ability of a Sharpshooter in the Marine Corps. So be it. I'll stop posting to you just like I don't with your buddy.

[tpaine]

I am now offically proclaimed to be 'your buddy', bump..

[Leatherneck_MT]

*laughs*

Well you could have worse friends I guess :)

[tpaine]

Yep... At least I don't sing much..

[BigBobber]

It doesn't really matter what the doctor at Parkland or some funeral director "remembers". We have film of the event. The Zapruder film!

The back of Kennedy's head is visible before and after the fatal shot. There is no massive defect in the back of the head after the shot as "Dr" Cyril Wecht tells us over and over in those TV shows. The damage is clearly visible in many frames and it is to the right front of the head only. Look at the movie. Believe your own eyes.

[tpaine]

Indeed, believe your own eyes.. The film and the Reports own timeline gives Oswald -- 103 frames between 210 & 313.. To make three aimed shots.

-- 103 frames divided by 18.8 frames per second, equals 5.48 seconds, -- max time avail for two bolt cycles and 3 aimed shots, --- through a misaligned scope at a moving vehicle.

-- With a rifle that ~experts~ testifyed took 2.3 seconds to cycle the action, at their best..



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[Leatherneck_MT]

BigBobber I have looked at the film. Hundreds of times. In slow motion, up close as close as I could still see clarity. Films don't always show all of the details.

Professionals who are used to dealing with gunshot wounds said that there was a large "defect", hole, whatever, in the back of the Presidents head. That's not what some doctor in Parkland remembers, that's what the attending physician and one of the chief members of the trauma team that worked on Kennedy when he was brought into the hospital, reported.

I believe that there was a large wound in the right front portion of Kennedy's head. That is in no way inconsistant with a large wound in the back of his head. both were reported at Parkland.

The real problem here is that nobody will ever know. The President's brain has disappeared and will never be able to be used to determine the actual trajectory. The people involved have covered their tracks quite well.