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To: Huck
Friend, that is a blatant appeal to emotion rather than reason.

The country has been so conditioned to accept the premise that the state can protect them, despite what there independent thinking told them on 9/11, that the state saw an opportunity to grow rather than decentralize. Rather than demand the punishment of the those who failed so miserably, there were appeals to abstracts (9/11 changed everything, they hate us for our freedom) that are almost absurd in retrospect in the context of rational discourse and conservative responsibility to the institutions we have been left by our ancestors.

Where for some, 9/11 was a reminder of the debt we owe each other to protect the herd as seen on Flight 93, to others it was an excuse to ignore the failures of the government (let bygones be bygones) and instead embark on a new war and taste/recapture all the good patriotic feelings that come with a good solid ass kicking. (The media obliged by flashing the amoral leftists at Berkley as the anti-war movement.)

I don't expect for their to be justice in this world, but I do like to think shining light where it does not want to be shown, is the best conservative patriots can hope for politically, in a rapidly declining culture. Then just raise our kids, hope they have more freedom then we do, leave them some money, and hope the King doesn't demand our first born sons for the battles on the fringes of the Empire.

"More Todd Beamers, Fewer Ivy Leaguers"
34 posted on 09/24/2003 11:56:37 AM PDT by JohnGalt (More Todd Beamers, Fewer Ivy Leaguers)
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To: JohnGalt
Friend, that is a blatant appeal to emotion rather than reason.

You may be right, but you say that as if it's all bad. We're not Vulcans. Human beings should get emotional sometimes. The bumper sticker isn't so much an appeal to emotion as it is an expression of emotion. I think it is a good thing. I think getting goosebumps with love of America is a good thing. True, it's emotional. But that's not always a bad thing, Spock.

The country has been so conditioned to accept the premise that the state can protect them, despite what there independent thinking told them on 9/11, that the state saw an opportunity to grow rather than decentralize.

Another way of looking at that is to say that Americans were conditioned to believe we were safer and more insulated than we really are from terror attacks. What their independent thinking told them on 9-11 is that we are vulnerable, we don't have to accept that, and it is the proper role of our national government to act on our behalf. That's a completely sensible response. By the way, Americans also reached into their pockets--motivated in part by--gasp--emotion, and gave a lot of money to help with the suffering. And they gave of their time. And they expressed and continue to express a heightened sense of pride in their country. As we say in Jersey, you got a problem with that?

Rather than demand the punishment of the those who failed so miserably, there were appeals to abstracts (9/11 changed everything, they hate us for our freedom)

Another way of looking at that is to say that rather than respond with finger pointing and internecine fighting, America was right there with the President in his forward looking, resolute, results oriented approach to leadership in this crisis. I don't think Americans are saying don't hold anyone accountable. But they are supportive of using our precious resources to mainly move ahead. After all, we Americans are responsible for our government. We slept too. We didn't demand more. We were complacent. And I think most of us are honest about it and ready to move on and get busy.

that are almost absurd in retrospect in the context of rational discourse and conservative responsibility to the institutions we have been left by our ancestors.

I think most Americans were good to go without a lot of discourse. The President has made his doctrine pretty easy to undertand. Find em, kill em. With us or against us. Freedom vs. terror. Civilization vs. evildoers. And America will lead. End of story. Americans agree with that.

an excuse to ignore the failures of the government (let bygones be bygones) and instead embark on a new war and taste/recapture all the good patriotic feelings that come with a good solid ass kicking. (The media obliged by flashing the amoral leftists at Berkley as the anti-war movement.)

I don't agree with that characterization.

I don't expect for their to be justice in this world, but I do like to think shining light where it does not want to be shown, is the best conservative patriots can hope for politically, in a rapidly declining culture. Then just raise our kids, hope they have more freedom then we do, leave them some money, and hope the King doesn't demand our first born sons for the battles on the fringes of the Empire.

I understand your anxiety about our culture, our freedoms, and our future. That's what we all want.

"More Todd Beamers, Fewer Ivy Leaguers"

Let's have less Todd Beamers, if that means less people dying as a result of vicious attacks on American soil. The President is taking it to them, and our trained, professional killers are doing their work. Support them.

35 posted on 09/24/2003 12:22:24 PM PDT by Huck
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