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To: RusIvan
But to invite foreigners to come with guns to your country is very shameful. Anyone who do that is considered the traitor and beneath contempt.


Not such an unusual thing. After all, the Revolutionary's did ask for French help against the British. There's nothing traitorous about looking for help from a benevolent foreign power to help rid you of an oppressive tyrant, whether that tyrant be Saddam Hussein or King George. Who cares by what avenue you have to go through to attain freedom, so long as you attain it in the end? Nothing wrong with asking for help, after all. If I were living under the heel of a tyrant, damn straight I'd swallow my pride and ask for help. Better to get help and succeed, then go it alone and fail, only to have to put my children through a lifetime of torment and oppression, and then put the burden on them to continue the fight.

Just gotta be careful about said foreign power, though, as you may end up trading in one tyrant for another.
6 posted on 09/24/2003 1:35:13 AM PDT by Green Knight (Looking forward to seeing Jeb stepping over Hillary's rotting political corpse in 2008.)
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To: Green Knight
If I were living under the heel of a tyrant, damn straight I'd swallow my pride and ask for help. ===

As I said I just compare russian view with anybody else.

You will better understand russians if you know that in russian history was someone who "ask for help" of foreigners against domestic power.
They all failed. Because all russians ceased hostilites in between and turned against those.
It is in culture. Under foreign invasion country gets together, all inner anymosities suddenly forgotten and whole country began to fight invaders.

For your illustration. Imagine american Civil War. If one side ask for help of british and british sends troops.
Then according of russian way both side of war have to put aside hostilites and went after those who brought british. Kill them and defeat british and kick out them from country.
After british defeated then hostilites between sides continue.
It is the russian way to do these things:)). Russian never asks for help from foreigner if fight goes with another russian. It is beneath contempt.
7 posted on 09/24/2003 2:14:56 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: Green Knight
If I were living under the heel of a tyrant, damn straight I'd swallow my pride and ask for help. ===

As I said I just compare russian view with anybody else.

You will better understand russians if you know that in russian history was someone who "ask for help" of foreigners against domestic power.
They all failed. Because all russians ceased hostilites in between and turned against those.
It is in culture. Under foreign invasion country gets together, all inner anymosities suddenly forgotten and whole country began to fight invaders.

For your illustration. Imagine american Civil War. If one side ask for help of british and british sends troops.
Then according of russian way both side of war have to put aside hostilites and went after those who brought british. Kill them and defeat british and kick out them from country.
After british defeated then hostilites between sides continue.
It is the russian way to do these things:)). Russian never asks for help from foreigner if fight goes with another russian. It is beneath contempt.
8 posted on 09/24/2003 2:15:09 AM PDT by RusIvan
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