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Arctic ice shelf splits
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Posted on 09/23/2003 5:56:43 AM PDT by pa_dweller
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To: js1138
hehe, kinda a kick isn't it ;o)
To: pa_dweller
Refreshingly, no one is blamed.That's because Dr Jeffries and the others are real scientist doing real science.
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posted on
09/23/2003 8:46:37 AM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
To: VRWC_minion
Miners that ignore dead canaries in the mine soon follow. What precisly could we do about natural changes in the Earth's climate and assuming man is responsible what can we actually do to revert the process ?
Obviously it's time to get off the planet...
To: pa_dweller
The loss of fresh and brackish water has changed the environment for the microscopic animals and algae living in the area.
"These are very rare and unusual ecosystems and they have been studied as possible analogues for life on a colder Earth and life on the planets," Dr Jeffries said.
"And if we are losing them, we are losing the opportunity to study life earlier in Earth history and elsewhere in the Solar System."
The do not have to worry, these organisms are abundant. They have forgotten plate tectonics and the long time it took for these organisms to evolve. Check this nice animation:
http://www.odsn.de/odsn/services/paleomap/animation.html
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posted on
09/23/2003 9:41:51 AM PDT
by
AdmSmith
To: AdmSmith
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posted on
09/23/2003 11:26:07 AM PDT
by
Truth666
To: pa_dweller
Sounds like an appeal for giverment money...
What with unemployment the way it is.....
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posted on
09/23/2003 11:43:33 AM PDT
by
hosepipe
To: RightWhale
It will be interesting to read media reports of this...specifically the climatological 'experts' who will be undoubetedly trotted out.
To: Modernman
I think the scientific evidence shows that the world is getting warmer.Not so fast. Lots of differing opinions by smart people on that question. Some "evidence" gathered by some methods and in some locations show warming, others cooling.
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posted on
09/23/2003 11:53:06 AM PDT
by
Protagoras
(The only thing worse than drugs is the War on Drugs)
To: Truth666
Correction : follow post 12 in that thread.
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posted on
09/23/2003 11:53:48 AM PDT
by
Truth666
To: Truth666
if this is not BREAKING NEWS, then what ? Yes, you're right (with a hangdog look). I thought of that but got cold feet!
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posted on
09/23/2003 4:21:08 PM PDT
by
pa_dweller
(How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?)
To: Grobe
Well, it most likely is due to warming, the unanswered question is, what's causing it?
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posted on
09/23/2003 4:29:13 PM PDT
by
pa_dweller
(How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?)
To: Geritol
Nice to have some factual background. Thanks
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posted on
09/23/2003 4:38:28 PM PDT
by
pa_dweller
(How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?)
To: familyofman
Miners that ignore dead canaries in the mine soon follow. The reason canaries were taken into mines is because there was a demonstrated relationship between gas concentrations and dying birds. There is as yet no demonstrated relationship between human activity and climate change on a global scale.
If you want to ignore the clear signals from the planet and make inane comments about SUVs - feel free, but the signs of global warming are there.
in·ane
1. Lacking in sense; empty-headed; silly: an inane person. 2. Empty of meaning; pointless; foolish: an inane remark. 3. Having no contents or inner substance; void; empty.
I chose SUV's because they are a current touchstone for a lot of opposing positions on various issues. Please choose one of the above definitions and explain how it applies to my SUV comment in light of the constant drone of 'this causes global warming' or 'that causes global warming'.
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posted on
09/23/2003 5:20:57 PM PDT
by
pa_dweller
(How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?)
To: pa_dweller; Truth666
When Bill Clinton told Juanita Broderick, "Better put some ice on that lip, Baby." it started a chain of physical events that would lead inexorably to either the end of life as we know it on this planet, or the election of Hillary to the Presidency of the United States, which will save us all (except insensitive or heterosexual white males).
Were it not for the Republican-caused power failure which caused my home Cray to crash, and the VRWC taking away my grant money, I would have had hard numbers for you today. In the meantime, you Freeper fellows will just have to live in suspense.
One thing I know for sure and with scientific certainty: women and minorities will continue to suffer most because the Republicans do not care about Global Warming.
To: ancient_geezer
The largest ice shelf in the Arctic, a solid feature for 3,000 years, has broken up, scientists in the United States and Canada said on September 22, 2003. They said the Ward Hunt Ice Shelf, on the north coast of Ellesmere Island in Canada's Nunavut territory, broke into two main parts, themselves cut through with fissures. A freshwater lake drained into the sea, the researchers reported. (Reuters Graphic)
To: berserker
There's something bad about the earth naturally returning to a mean climate coresponsding to global climates of 2000 years ago?
Greenland could use a few vineyards again.
Figure 1-3 Climate of the last 12,000 years
Agriculture and the age of man happened because of the exit of earth from a 90 thousand year old ice age into that moderate climate. I don't buy the rhetoric of warmer is bad nor that warmer is necessarily even where we are actually headed, nor do many scientists in a position to judge the science of such matters:
Petition Project: http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm
During the past 2 years, more than 17,100 basic and applied American scientists, two-thirds with advanced degrees, have signed the Global Warming Petition.
Specifically declaring:
"There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate."
Signers of this petition so far include 2,660 physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, meteorologists, oceanographers, and environmental scientists (select this link for a listing of these individuals) who are especially well qualified to evaluate the effects of carbon dioxide on the Earth's atmosphere and climate.
Signers of this petition also include 5,017 scientists whose fields of specialization in chemistry, biochemistry, biology, and other life sciences (select this link for a listing of these individuals) make them especially well qualified to evaluate the effects of carbon dioxide upon the Earth's plant and animal life.
Nearly all of the initial 17,100 scientist signers have technical training suitable for the evaluation of the relevant research data, and many are trained in related fields.
To: pa_dweller
"The researchers - Warwick Vincent and Derek Mueller of Laval University in Quebec City, Canada; and Martin Jeffries of the University of Alaska Fairbanks, US - have been studying the shelf onsite and through satellite radar imagery and helicopter overflights." I'll bet those suckers broke the damn thing!
To: Truth666
The Arctic swallowing a research station ... a vision that couldn't be any longer a surprise, the latest after this thread.
But who would have guessed that the vision would become reality 6 months later, at the beggining of March ?
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posted on
03/06/2004 11:50:21 AM PST
by
Truth666
To: hosepipe
yep, sounds like it's government grant time and if they can try to scare someone one more time, they can get their hands on more cash. Reminds one of the breathless Mars scientists who told the dupes in the media last month what the Voyager already had discovered THIRTY YEARS ago, that there may have been water on the planet. What a stupid waste of our tax money!
To: pa_dweller
"These are very rare and unusual ecosystems and they have been studied as possible analogues for life on a colder Earth and life on the planets," Dr Jeffries said. "And if we are losing them, we are losing the opportunity to study life earlier in Earth history and elsewhere in the Solar System." Then they'd better get on with it quickly, eh? Time's a'wasting.
I think what he's really afraid of is having to go out and find a non-subsidized job.
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posted on
03/06/2004 12:07:17 PM PST
by
Hank Rearden
(Never let your life be directed by people who could only get government jobs.)
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