Posted on 09/22/2003 2:32:23 PM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
Sorry to be so short on facts, but a new book ("Blood Money") charges LBJ with ordering the JFK hit.
The author is the former business partner of the man he accuses of setting it up (??? Clark), and claims there is no doubt in his mind as to the truth of the allegation.
Apparently LBJ was about to be indicted on another murder charge, and saw his ascendency to POTUS as his way out.
,,, good one!
Well, what is your explanation as to why his handlers didn't make sure he had a better rifle? If there was a tight conspiracy, wouldn't the ring leaders have done everything possible to make it look like it was all Oswald's doing, and wouldn't this have included giving him a gun in more perfect working order?
Although braggart Oswald almost certainly told the Mexico City Cubans what he was about to attempt, the fact that they didn't make sure Oswald's rifle was perfect indicates to me that they were cheering him on from afar.
Apparently there were finger prints found at the snipers nest other than Oswald's and the author for the first time identified them to a man who is a known hit man and known to have connections to Johnson. He said that around the law firm where he worked (LBJ's lawyer) that certain favors received were part of pay back for Dallas (office code for the assassination). Because of business I could not listen closely but I believe he mentioned that LBJ was being investigated for murder (politically related, in Texas) and becoming president stopped the indictment.
Right...setting him up to be the Patsy...which is just what he said he was.
The scope on the rifle was mis-aligned and the cocking mechanism defective...and he was shooting through a mature, Texas Live Oak in full bloom...and his LAST shot, not his first, was his best? His scores in Marine Boot Camp were mediocre, at best.
Nope...Oswald was in the Break Room sipping a Coke when the shots rang out. He realized then that he had, indeed, been set up.
I don't believe a word you wrote but I would like an explaination of this one.
Amen!
Were you an adult when Kennedy was president? By today's standards Kennedy was anti-communist. As a liberal he was critical of the conservatives' hard-line against the USSR but he was certainly an America-first patriot as were most liberals in those days. But in general they viewed communism as a threat but a threat that could be brought around without war.
Do you really believe Kennedy was a match for Khrushchev? James Reston, Washington bureau chief and columnist for the New York Times was the first man to talk to Kennedy after the president's last meeting with Khrushchev. The meeting came at the request of Kennedy after the regular scheduled meetings in Vienna in June, 1961 had ended. Things went so badly for Kennedy he wanted to talk to Khrushchev alone (w/interpretors only).
Here is from a book by John F. Stacks "How was it?" Reston asked casually.
"Worst thing in my life. He savaged me," Kennedy responded. The president seemed to Reston to be almost in shock, repeating himself and speaking with astonishing candor to the journalist. "Not the usual bullshit," Reston wrote in his notepad. "There is a look a man has when he has to tell the truth." Kennedy went on to say that to counter the battering by Khrushchev, which he attributed to the Soviet leader's underestimation of Kennedy's resolve, the United States would have to stand more firmly against the Soviets' demands in Berlin and against the mounting Communist insurgency in South Vietnam. Reston wrote later that he was "speechless" when Kennedy mentioned Vietnam, since that troubled country was at that point nowhere near the heart of the Cold War conflict and, in Reston's estimation, did not carry much weight in the superpower tug-of-war. Ever afterward, Kennedy's remark to Reston was seen by historians and by Reston himself as the moment marking the beginning of America's long slide into the tragedy of Vietnam.
Kennedy was rich, likable, telegenic, good with "the usual bullshit," and bright but as a president he was virtually zilch. What did he ever accomplish? Do you know what we gave up to keep the USSR from putting missiles in Cuba?
It was clear then and now confirmed I believe that JFK / RFK were dumping LBJ. That opened LBJ to criminal prosecution for his and little Lyndon's (Bobby Baker) crimes. And Baker was only the surface.
That murder affected me as much as the Vince Foster murder. I am glad it's all coming out now. Someday so will the Foster murder. I just wish LBJ was alive to try, convict, and torture to death. Hmm, maybe we could charge his family . . . .
Here ya go...(just the tip of the iceberg)...
"If one believes that there were only three shots, and that the gunman in the sixth-floor window fired all of them, then the only plausible position is to assume that he didn't fire until the president came out from beneath the oak tree, at frame 210. Therefore, we are left with the lone gunman scoring hits on his first and third shots, having less than six seconds to get off three rounds, with a maximum of only 2.8 seconds to fire and refire. The FBI established that the Carcano's rifle bolt and trigger could not be operated in less than 2.3 seconds. WC supporters claim that other, later timing tests prove that the Carcano could have been fired in well under two seconds per shot. However, not one of those subsequent timing tests used the alleged murder weapon itself. They used different Carcano rifles, not the one Oswald allegedly fired. When the FBI tested the supposed murder weapon itself, using expert marksmen, it established that that weapon could not be fired faster than 2.3 seconds per shot.
The lone gunman would have faced other problems as well. The sharpshooters in the WC's rifle tests reported that as newcomers to the Italian rifle they found the bolt so difficult to operate that it skewed their aim (Summers 46). The weapon was also found to have an odd trigger pull.
Other facts about the Mannlicher-Carcano make it extremely doubtful that anyone, least of all Oswald, could have used it to shoot Kennedy. The rifle needed metal shims placed under the telescopic sight before the Army testing laboratory could determine the weapon's accuracy. The metal shims had to be used because the telescopic sight was so unrelated to the rifle's line of fire, and so inexpertly attached, that it could not even be adjusted. Lone-gunman theorists reply that the scope might have been damaged when the rifle was allegedly thrown down in haste after the shooting, thus creating a need for the use of shims in realigning the scope. They further suggest that handling of the scope after the rifle's discovery might have contributed to the scope's being misaligned. However, photos of the rifle in its hiding place indicate that it was not hastily thrown down. In fact, it was discovered standing upright between a narrow gap between two rows of boxes. And the handling of the scope after the fact should not have caused it to be so misaligned."
BTW, RFK was council to the 1950s Senator McClellan committee investigating organized crime. I remember the film of this incident. Here is a description of it from the web. "Robert had given [Sam] Giancana a rough ride in questioning. Giancana had smirked and laughed as the young Kennedy fired his questions, answering each one by reading the fifth amendment out from a small card. 'Are you going to tell us anything or just giggle? I thought only little girls giggled?' Giancana barely blinked at the remark, but it cut into him like a knife, being spoken to like that by some government clown."
Would these qualify as famous last words?
I did read about his ill health in the Atlantic, but it didn't cross my mind that this has something to do with whether Oswald was a dupe. If there could be anything less relevant to the question addressed by this thread, what would it be?
By today's standards Kennedy was anti-communist.
Also by Oswald's standards, which is why he killed him.
This article is such a mess, I don't know how anyone can believe it. Did it ever occur to you that the first shot started the time span? That the first shot was started at the Zero point? That the scope mount was mounted only the way a Carcano could be attached because of it's receiver? This article still didn't explain "the odd trigger pull". What exactly is an odd trigger pull? By the way, the FBI didn't experience any ammunition failures due to the ammunition or the trigger group[correct terminology].
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