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To: twittle
A bong is a bong, but under the law, they can call the spoons in your kitchen "narcotics paraphenalia" if they want you, the law is that badly written.

And yes, I would feel a lot safer if Ashcroft would pull all his people off of Porn and marijuana and put them on counterterrorim for the time being.
Time enough for cleaning up porn and drugs after he has made sure we aren't gonna have Anthrax or Ebola or U-235 scattered over us.

So9

13 posted on 09/22/2003 8:21:06 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (The voices tell me to stay home and clean the guns.)
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To: Servant of the 9
And yes, I would feel a lot safer if Ashcroft would pull all his people off of Porn and marijuana and put them on counterterrorim for the time being

Well, there are a lot of useful idiots out there who think an expanded police state is a good thing. There are even a lot of "conservatives" who are too ignorant to realize that the Constitituion was written to prevent such state actions rather than to advocate them.

17 posted on 09/22/2003 8:26:42 AM PDT by twittle
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To: Servant of the 9
Do you have any idea about how fast the entire Alphabet Soup Justice umbrella would slam into their peter principle at 100mph if said Justice Dept had to target dangerous animals like terrorism, espionage, money laundering, stock market swindlers, and border security?

Tommy Chong, James Trafficant, and the like.....pay their fines, hire pleasant attorneys, are pleasant to the help, and don't throw feces at the judges.

The perfect criminals for the system. Of course this is entirely a zero sum gain regarding the needs of our nation and this needs to be explained to the Justice Department in a completely unambiguos way.

Better to Flash-Bang and shoot Eagle Scouts than to keep us safe from our real enemies. Our enemies know this and they have studied us long and hard.

19 posted on 09/22/2003 8:32:57 AM PDT by blackdog ("But to me Joy means only sorrow, and America is one big Joy ride")
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To: Servant of the 9
"they can call the spoons in your kitchen "narcotics paraphenalia" if they want"

Actually no, though they do list in Section 863. Drug paraphernalia, "#6) miniature spoons with level capacities of one-tenth cubic centimeter or less".

And bongs are listed under the very vague and confusing wording of "#12) bongs".

Also: "e) In determining whether an item constitutes drug paraphernalia, in addition to all other logically relevant factors, the following may be considered:

(1) instructions, oral or written, provided with the item concerning its use;
(2) descriptive materials accompanying the item which explain or depict its use;
(3) national and local advertising concerning its use;
(4) the manner in which the item is displayed for sale;
(5) whether the owner, or anyone in control of the item, is a legitimate supplier of like or related items to the community, such as a licensed distributor or dealer of tobacco products;
(6) direct or circumstantial evidence of the ratio of sales of the item(s) to the total sales of the business enterprise;
(7) the existence and scope of legitimate uses of the item in the community; and
(8) expert testimony concerning its use.

Think those bongs may have fallen under one (or eight) of those considerations?

21 posted on 09/22/2003 8:35:55 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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