[NormsRevenge]

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[EggsAckley]

Tick-tock

[CheneyChick]

One of her concerns is the stubbornness that has helped keep him in the race – a stubbornness that has found him voting against every budget in the legislature for the past decade and even casting the sole vote against the car-tax reduction bill in 1999 because it didn't go far enough.

[dalereed]

"Politics is the art of compromise"

Up to the point that you compromise principle!

Carlos Moorhead uttered that to me at lunch one day in 1964 and I blasted him for the statement telling him that the day he compromised principle he lost my support.

The next day he gave me my first appointment to the RSCCC.

Tom has my vote no matter what the polls say, as far as i'm concerned, Busto and Arnold are equals, the only difference is Arnold has a R after his name which in some ways makes him worse than Busto.

[South40]

350? WOW!

That's much better than the showing in Temecula where it was only 200 and many of those were members of the media.

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[AmishDude]

Tom McClintock found a roomful of true believers at the Bahia Corinthian Yacht Club on Saturday

Can anybody say "Country Club Republican"? What's next, a Rockefeller family endorsement?

[ServesURight]

But McClintock's unwavering stand against taxes, abortion, gay rights, and services for illegal immigrants made him the only possible choice for those who heard him Saturday morning.

Finally, a Republican who fights for what he believes in - and is unfortunately ridiculed in the process.

[per loin]

A yacht club, eh? Planning his getaway?

[Roscoe]

"I don't know how you can be a social liberal and a fiscal conservative," said Laguna Niguel civil engineer Larry Wlezien, complaining that more social programs mean more taxes.

Too complicated for Arnold and crew to fathom.

[Reagan Man]

>>>One of her concerns is the stubbornness that has helped keep him in the race – a stubbornness that has found him voting against every budget in the legislature for the past decade and even casting the sole vote against the car-tax reduction bill in 1999 because it didn't go far enough.

Bravo! Its good to hear about a real fiscal conservative at work. If other legislators followed Tom McClintock's cue, California wouldn't be in the awful economic conditions its in today.

[Kevin Curry]

McClintock, a longtime state legislator from Thousand Oaks, has paid the cost for standing by his beliefs before, such as when he and a handful of others opposed the budgets of then-Gov. Pete Wilson, a fellow Republican, in the 1990s - and saw the leadership appointments and campaign assistance from GOP chiefs evaporate. "No one fought harder against Pete Wilson and his $8 billion in tax increases than Tom McClintock," said Ferguson. "And all of us who stood with Tom paid the price. We became pariahs."

"On matters of style, swim with the current, on matters of principle, stand like a rock." -- Thomas Jefferson

[Hoverbug]

McClintock, a longtime state legislator from Thousand Oaks, has paid the cost for standing by his beliefs before, such as when he and a handful of others opposed the budgets of then-Gov. Pete Wilson, a fellow Republican, in the 1990s - and saw the leadership appointments and campaign assistance from GOP chiefs evaporate. "No one fought harder against Pete Wilson and his $8 billion in tax increases than Tom McClintock," said Ferguson. "And all of us who stood with Tom paid the price. We became pariahs."

And who is the puppetmaster for Arnold? Oh yeah, PETE WILSON!!

All you Arnie-bots tell me again how McClintock will be supported for U.S. Senator if he just steps down now.

The CA GOP is about to shott itself in the foot again, NOT THE VOTERS.

Hb

[SteveH]

Schwarzenegger's strategic mistakes

[Saundra Duffy]

stand by principles rather than desire to win

That's me. www.helptom.com Go, McClintock!

[Saundra Duffy]

Letter to the Editor in today's Fresno Bee:

'Not at that price'

By Christopher G. Tasy
Sanger
(Published Sunday, September 21, 2003, 5:49 AM)

The so-called Republicans who are supporting Arnold Schwarzenegger for governor are near-sighted: They see only the economic side of the equation while trying so desperately to "win" (if the recall is even allowed to happen).

Republicans in California are selling their soul attempting to beat Gray Davis and the Democrats while forgetting the party stands for more than mere economics.

"But don't you want to win?" is a common sentiment of many California Republicans. My answer: "Not at that price." The heart of Republicans may belong to economics, but its soul belongs to the Judeo-Christian concept of right-and-wrong. It's a symbiotic relationship that, if split, dilutes what makes it such a strong alternative to the Democrats and Greens. Because Mr. Schwarzenegger is pro-abortion and seeks to legitimize homosexuality, the underlying effect is to undermine the family in favor of a purely secular state, devoid of Judeo-Christian values. I, for one, cannot and will not vote for such an individual.

State Sen. Tom McClintock, on the other hand, has delineated his views in favor of the family -- both economic and moral -- and will get my vote.

To make a purely economic choice for governor is akin to voting for someone who may create an economic powerhouse while ignoring where he stands on the right to life.

Mr. Schwarzenegger (plus Gov. Davis and Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante) believe killing children is permissible, all the while trumpeting the great economy. So did Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

[Hoverbug]

McClintock, a longtime state legislator from Thousand Oaks, has paid the cost for standing by his beliefs before, such as when he and a handful of others opposed the budgets of then-Gov. Pete Wilson, a fellow Republican, in the 1990s - and saw the leadership appointments and campaign assistance from GOP chiefs evaporate

And that is exactly what will happen to any Republicans in the Assembly or Senate who fight Arnold on tax increases.

The only people who have been stopping tax increases (republicans who won't give the two-thirds vote necessary for tax increases) will be threatened with their political lives for fighting Arnold's tax increases, JUST AS TOM McCLINTOCK HAS BEEN ON THIS FORUM FOR NOT BOWING OUT OF THE RACE!!!

See if this sounds familiar:

"Tom's done in politics if he doesn't get out of the race now"

"If he fights them on this, he's unelectable next time"

"Tom can kiss his political career goodbye!"

Look back through the forum folks, see who's been saying these things, and judge their post accordingly.

Hb

[Snerfling]

McClintock, a longtime state legislator from Thousand Oaks Elk Grove, a suburb of Sacramento.

If the reporter can't even get this right, how accurate do you think the rest of the article is? Turns out Tom Terrific is a neighbor of Busta-Chops - no wonder they confer with each other on their respective strategies to defeat Arnie.

I betcha if you asked any of constituents last week where he lived, the vast majority would have assumed right there in the Conejo valley. Can't see how he can ever run for elective office from T.O. again after this affair is over.

[smith5460]

I believe that some supporters of both Schwarzenegger and McClintock have forgotten two important things that must result from the recall:

(1) Gov. Gray Davis MUST be defeated in the first part of the recall. If Davis remains in power, California will continue its gradual descent to hell.

(2) Lt. Gov. Bustamante CANNOT become the new Governor of California. If he is elected, he will be as bad as Davis, if not worse.

While virtually all of Arnold's and Tom's supporters agree on those two things, the key question between the two camps remains: Who would make a better governor, McClintock or Schwarzenegger?

Three key facts need to be considered when making this choice:

(1) The state of California needs a fiscal conservative at this time to fix the budget crisis for the upcoming budget years.
(2) The California GOP party needs someone to rally around.
(3) The main Republican candidate going against Bustamante in the recall must be electable.

I believe that for this time and place in history, Arnold Schwarzengger would be the best choice. While Arnold isn't a social conservative; he does support some fiscal conservative policies, the California GOP can rally around him, and he is electable.

If Arnold is elected governor, he will need someone to head an audit of the state's finances to slash the budget. Enter Tom McClintock. Tom would gain a high profile as an unelected state comptroller and advisor to Arnold, while Arnold would finish out Davis' term as Governor.

During this time, Tom could rally supporters for bigger, more important battles; such as a run for the U.S. Senate in 2004 or 2006 or a run for Governor in 2006. Hopefully by 2004 or 2006, Arnold will have unified and re-energized the Republican Party of California to battle against the Democrats.

[SierraWasp]

"Politics is the art of compromise. He's been in politics long enough to know that."

Yes, I've noticed how compromising the little mob of Schwarzenegger Swooners/Screechers are.

I'll be so tickled when some come sneakin around here Oct. 8, 9 and 10 afraid to say another word about wondering why all these preliminary polls were so far off the mark!!!

Just for fun, I'm thinking about making a ping list to clog their "My Comments" pages with gloating HEADLINES chock full of "Crow Pie!"

Then finally, FR can get back to rational discussion of conservative issues without all this "rat pack" of tormentors pushing their fervent wishful thinking, etc.

Compromise is only possible where there is some definable common interest that doesn't involve having to trust the other party's commitment to the outcome!