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To: Phsstpok
Islam has declared the intent to wipe out all other cultures and peoples. Catholicism has now rejected that course in the last 300 years, after centuries of assuming that was it's mission.

Tsk, tsk. Your anti-Catholicism is showing.

71 posted on 09/22/2003 4:47:55 AM PDT by findingtruth
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To: findingtruth
Tsk, tsk. Your anti-Catholicism is showing.

I assume you're being ironic, because I don't think my statements were anti-Catholic. I think they represent simple historical fact, particularly when considering the actions taken by such self described "defenders of the faith" (Catholic faith) as the Conquistadors. Those wars of conquest in the new world were expressly chartered to wage war in order to spread the faith (and get some gold on the side). The Vatican now denounces those actions. They do not condemn the missionary work of folks like the Society of Jesus (Jesuits), which lots of radicals today consider even worse than the actual wars. I'm not one of them, though I do recognize some of the excesses practiced against non-Christians and non-Catholics in the new world by folks like the Jesuits. This doesn't even begin to get into the numerous wars and atrocities committed in the name of the Catholic Church in Europe. They didn't call Mary, Queen of Scots, "Bloody Mary" for how kindly she treated non-Catholics (or heretics, as she refered to them). All of that was once officially blesses by the Catholic Church. Protestants have had their own "blessed" wars as well.

I do not include the Crusades in this litany, even though it is sited by most as the classic example of this sort of Christian "holy war." I think the Crusades were far more about reacting to invasion and conquest by the Muslim armies than it was an action taken to conquer "someone else's land." Although they were clearly corrupted, in places, by unscrupulous warlords, the Crusades were originally a defensive reaction to invasion of Christian lands by non-Christian agressors.

My original point was that Christian Churches, chief among them Catholics (because they have the longest history of this sort of thing - the Orthodox Churches I'm not as familiar with in this regard) used to think this kind of thing was the way to go, but have dropped that idea for at least a couple of hundred years in regards to other Christians, more recently in regards to others. The Islamic world still operates as if that's an OK way to think. In fact, they think we're idiots for not thinking that way and for believing them when they talk about peace, or Islam as a "religion of peace."

Never trust someone who says "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." Likewise never trust a Muslim who says "I'm here to negotiate peace with you."

79 posted on 09/22/2003 10:30:58 AM PDT by Phsstpok
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To: findingtruth
Do you deny that there were reformations in the Church?

Islam has had no such reformation movement and is why it still poses a threat today.

85 posted on 09/22/2003 12:39:47 PM PDT by weegee
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