Can Moslems Serve?

www.adamyoshida.com ^ | September 21, 2003 | Adam Yoshida

[gg188]

Imagine the following in '39 or for that matter at any time since arguing to allow another enemy into our armed forces:

These men could be reassigned to a new ‘Nazi Brigade’, which could then be deployed to some theatre where they would be unlikely to have to fight against their fellow Nazis and where they might be kept away from the influence of radical Nazis showing radical tendencies being speedily discharged. They could be placed under the spiritual guidance of extremely carefully vetted moderate Nazis and guided towards a peaceful and ‘Americanized’ form of Nazism.

Now, see how stupid this writer's "logic" is?

[adamyoshida]

I think that the problem with Moslems is more analagous to that of the Japanese than it is to Nazis.

Not all Moslems are Islamists- but they can't be quite trusted either. Putting them in a special unit, away from the Middle East and under the right leadership could be very benificial.

[xJones]

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all are taught we are the infidel.

Well wait, we infidels are offered the dhimmitude clause, which traditionally has meant that we can live as third class citizens. But that was before the age of bombs, so.....

[bereanway]

Agreed. Islam is radically different than Judaism or Christianity because it is a religious and POLITICAL construct. To them, if you're not a Muslim you are a member of the "House of War" or an infidel. Their ultimate goal is a world-wide hegemony ruled by Islamic clerics under Sharia law. The so called Judeo-Christian West represents the greatest impediment to achieving those goals. To a true Muslim western life and culture is antithetical to their worldview.

[Zeroisanumber]

Plenty- but every example of treason committed in the US Army in recent years has been by a Moslem, despite the fact that Moslems make up less than 1% of the Army.

I assume you've researched that and have facts to back it up?

[ladyjane]

The Navy used to have servers from the Phillipines but had to get rid of them because it wasn't PC. Perhaps. . .

[gg188]

No. Moslems are not a nation, so the analogy to "Japan" is not valid. Perhaps analagous to imperialist Shitos in Japan. Regardless, it would be common sense to bar from your armed forces (or from your soil for that matter) people who swear by a creed that calls for your slaughter. But that goes to the heart of believing in the rightness of your cause. We don't believe in our cause---freedom---enough, nor love our children enough, to do what is necessary to make SURE that no one calling for our destruction breathes another breath. Thank God our fathers DID believe in the rightness of America and the rightness of the Bible to prevail over all previous threats.

[TheDon]

I think that we ought to look to history for a solution to this problem. In the Second World War Japanese-Americans, while forbidden from serving in the regular army, were allowed to join the 442nd Regimental Combat Team, which became one of the most distinguished units of the entire war.

Interesting idea, but I think we are beyond such notions today. You will not be seeing Moslem concentration camps either. If a Moslem, or a service member of another faith, has a problem obeying orders, they shouldn't be in the military. Moslems have killed more Moslems than everyone else combined. So I think such feelings are more individual in nature, than due to the teachings of their religion.

[TheDon]

Wasn't the OK City bomber ex-military?

[jocon307]

"The only way to stop the prejudice against American Muslims is for THEM to put America first...It's really up to American Muslims."

Yes, it really is. And this is not such a difficult or complicated thing. Be patriotic, display the flag, and let no one doubt you love America!

People who are smart enough to have come here, and many of whom have fine jobs, doctors, lawyers, accountants, engineers, I think they can figure it out.

And if they are so cowed, so afraid of their peers, so much the more they need to show their love of AMERICA, of FREEDOM, of LIBERTY.

Or not. But we at FR, and in most of America aren't buying the "religion of peace" line (see I didn't say cr*p!) even if it is sold to us by our beloved "W". Let one more thing happen, and then no amount of parades, etc. will save Muslims in America from our righteous wrath.

I don't think they are with us. But I am open to persuasion otherwise.

Waiting for more shoes to drop. But, as you say, it is up to them. If they won't take the cue, it will be up to us.

God save us (or damn us, rather) if we fail.

[Hoplite]

Timmy had a microchip in his butt telling him what to do, so his case doesn't count. = )

[Kay Soze]

Yes Moslems can serve.

They just cannot serve in any United States orginization.

Their loyality is to Allah as they recognize him through their scriptures- the Koran.

And the Koran is anti United States and all we stand for.

[Zeroisanumber]

Wasn't the OK City bomber ex-military?

Yeah, and he was one of those damn untrustworthy Christians! That makes 100% of the Ryder Truck-utilizing ex-military Treasonous acts the fault of Christians in the military! For the love of God why do we let these people into our armed forces? /really thick sarcasm

[Guillermo]

Umm, McVeigh was an atheist (until the day he was executed).

[Zeroisanumber]

Details, details.

The point was to turn the tar brush back on the author, so this is one of those rare cases where facts don't matter.

[joesnuffy]

No man can serve two masters
either he will love the one and hate the other
or hate the one and love the other

Loyalty to Islam and its tenents and fellow muslim's struggles
or to the USA and its troops...

[findingtruth]

Dude---Catholics and Jews are not at war with whites, Catholics, Jews and protestants and have not sworn allegiance to a creed to kill them, nor flown airplanes into buildings containing them.

Hey, that's right. Muslims are at war with whites and have sworn to kill them! Gee, I know quite a few Muslims who'll have to commit suicide on the basis of that oath. The Muslims flew airplanes into our buildings too.

Oh wait. Now that I think about it, that wasn't Muslims in general; that was just Al Qaeda. Oh well, what the heck. We need a good holy war, so let's just blame all the Muslims.

[Guillermo]

Comparing Islam, which says to install Islamic Law as the form of governance, to Christianity, which says obey the secular authority, is a sign of ignorance.

[findingtruth]

He was a Gulf War vet, too. Man, we gotta watch out for them guys!

[findingtruth]

And the Koran is anti United States and all we stand for.

Darned right! Do you realize the Koran would deny our sacred right to abortion?