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TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO CALLING ALL FREEPERS Pt2 Disabled FL woman given Death Sentence by FL Courts
09-21-03 | pc93

Posted on 09/21/2003 12:13:53 PM PDT by pc93

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To: Velveeta; kimmie7
kimmie, please add "velveeta" to your ping list and I'll ping you when there's breaking over at Part 2 that I think you should know about.
101 posted on 09/21/2003 8:39:48 PM PDT by freeparoundtheclock (http://www.conservative-spirit.org/)
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To: MHGinTN
Ideas for protest signs outside this Floridian DEATH CAMP....'Greer the executioner'...'michael the adulterous murderer'...'how CLOSE does Terri come to YOUR loved one's condition'?...'stroke patients have blind eyes/dead hearts'...'nurses here who idolize dr. death kevorkian'.

Sorry. But this ticks me off NO end! And no one has gone PUBLIC..it's just been on the internet.

102 posted on 09/21/2003 8:42:37 PM PDT by mommadooo3
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To: GeekDejure
God Bless YOU!!! Terri needs all the help she can get.
103 posted on 09/21/2003 8:45:10 PM PDT by trussell (Prayer, It does a body good!!)
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To: pc93
even if they are the Supreme Court apparently they are just not very intelligent or caring humans.

I suppose that also applies, then, to all of the courts above who have also ruled to allow people to be killed?

If I post the court rulings on cases like this since 1988, will those courts also be composed of people who are not very intelligent or uncaring, in your opinion?

I think it is a bit more complex than your summary.

Beginning as far back as the 1960's, the right to kill movement made the moves to advance, in the court system, their agenda of euthanasia.

Terri's case is one more plum to add to their pudding if they win.

Do you remember the post on the other thread where a euthanasia case was brought to court by a doctor and two patients? And the patients and doctor had not even known each other prior to the court case? Because they were recruited by the right-to-kill movement in order to challenge the court system.

These are very deliberate and well-planned events, all purposely set up to advance legislation in their favor and bring euthanasia to this country.

104 posted on 09/21/2003 8:52:20 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MHGinTN
I'm sorry I wasn't aware of all of this. I thought e-mailing O'Reilly was a good place to start. Now I feel like a deer in the headlights.
105 posted on 09/21/2003 8:53:51 PM PDT by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: MarMema
You are right. It's important to do a little homework, but time is of the element right now for Terri. What is the best and fastest way to try to buy her some time?
106 posted on 09/21/2003 8:56:07 PM PDT by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: kimmie
Please add my name to the ping list.
MisterJDC@aol.com
107 posted on 09/21/2003 8:56:18 PM PDT by GWB and GOP Man (Conservative for Life)
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To: pc93
I left out about how Felos etc. made the courts believe Terri was "PVS" when she wasn't and I also forgot to mention about Terri's compression fractures that she probably got from Michaels little visits to her, etc.
Anywayz this is pure speculation and just my opinion.
108 posted on 09/21/2003 9:02:29 PM PDT by pc93 (Terri is a human being. Judge Greer "I know that." Blood is on his hands & other elected officials)
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To: All
Yes I agree, Bill O'Reilly appeared to be very cold, callous and insensitive during his segment on Terri.
109 posted on 09/21/2003 9:02:33 PM PDT by GWB and GOP Man (Conservative for Life)
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To: pc93
What did he say?
110 posted on 09/21/2003 9:02:42 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: mommadooo3
In previous cases there has been tremendous exposure and publicity, but it had little or no effect on the outcome.

Whose Right?

"It was the latest attempt to sway public opinion in Missouri's most recent right-to-die case: On February 4, the state supplied videotape to St. Louis television stations which it said showed that Christine Busalacchi, severely brain-damaged almost four years ago, is no longer in a persistent vegetative state. Missouri is trying to keep the 20-year-old woman's father, Pete Busalacchi, from moving his daughter to another state."

"All four St. Louis television stations covering the hearing asked for and received copies of the tape. All four aired about 60 seconds of it, each linking the tape to testimony asserting that Busalacchi could respond to comments from hospital staff members and that she could move her legs."

Christine Busalacchi, who never tired of using the call button to call her nurses, spoke some simple words quite appropriately, and ate solid food quite well, was on the cover of Time magazine during the time her father was attempting to have her killed.

Christine was eventually killed by dehydration, as the courts paid no attention to Time magazine, the full-page ads in the newspaper her nurses took out begging for help to save her life, or the four televisions stations airing video of Christine, which purportedly (originally) also showed her waving to them as they left.

I believe Christine was killed, at Barnes Hospital in St. Louis, in 1991. Over ten years ago. We are very, very late in entering this battle.

111 posted on 09/21/2003 9:02:53 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: freeparoundtheclock
Pain awareness month???????? Pain can be corporal and emotional. How much of it has to be endured before the state of Florida recognizes this woman's right to live?
112 posted on 09/21/2003 9:04:11 PM PDT by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: No More Gore Anymore
He doesn't like the fact that the Federal courts might be able to stop this madness! I guess if he had it his way Greer's decision for Terri to begin starving to death on Oct. 15 would be the final decision and is OK in his book. Even after all the facts of the case! Anyways the Federal judge of all things said he doesn't know if he has jurisdiction! What a joke! except I'm not laughing.
113 posted on 09/21/2003 9:06:12 PM PDT by pc93 (Terri is a human being. Judge Greer "I know that." Blood is on his hands & other elected officials)
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To: pc93
How did that jerk get custody? and what is the defense. Jsut that the brother agree that she would not want to live? Is she responsive with words. Can she be aksed blink once for this, twice for that ? I have worked with peopel less responsive than what I saw on that video. The judge is on the take.
114 posted on 09/21/2003 9:10:29 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: phenn
It's not really the "courts" that rule in favor of the estranged husband. It's one judge - George Greer - and the appelates have stood by him.

Actually I have to disagree with you. A survey of the internet legal sites shows that most attorneys posting on this find Greer and associates to be quite grounded in their decisions.

A survey of the historical, landmark cases shows this to be the case as well, don't you agree?

They are not ruling in favor of the estranged husband as much as they are following the line of previous court decisions, (all posted above with explanations about how each led to the next step)and the rights set and decided upon - to privacy, to surrogate judgement, etc.

If you are going to nail Greer to a post you must go back and nail every court which has ruled that surrogate family members can make a choice on behalf of an incapacitated relative. Please correct me if I am wrong.

115 posted on 09/21/2003 9:17:22 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: stanz
What is the best and fastest way to try to buy her some time?

My opinion is always free. :-)

Who is the judge? What matters deeply to the judge?

116 posted on 09/21/2003 9:18:34 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: pc93
Bump.

This madness needs to stop. Any suggestions on activism? I'm pretty far out of the loop since I'm in Oregon, but I can send faxes, e-mails, ect.
117 posted on 09/21/2003 9:33:53 PM PDT by TheCookMan (Communism thrives when good people do nothing.)
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To: phenn
Pam look at the ruling summaries here.

Essentially, the Court held that a patient no longer able to communicate may now exercise this 'right' through a family member or duly authorized guardian. 1976 - Supreme Court of New Jersey

The ruling revolved upon on what he would have said if he could have spoken in his own behalf. The Court extended the decision by stating that persons who have never been able to make judgments for themselves have the 'right to die.' Later decisions in the Massachusetts court held that families and physicians could make such judgments without even going to court.1977 - Supreme Court of Massachusetts

The court found that Brother Fox's refusal of treatment (expressed while he was still conscious) was legally binding, and ordered the hospital to disconnect the respirator and let him die.1981 - New York Court of Appeals

the appeals court reversed the ruling on the grounds that withholding life support and food was a passive omission, not an aggressive action designed to murder.1983 - California Court of Appeals

The Court held that food and water is in the same category as artificial respirators and other medical treatment and may be withdrawn as "extraordinary measures."1985 - New Jersey Supreme Court

The Florida Court of Appeals decided that "a penumbral right to privacy" allowed the patient or a third party acting for her to refuse artificially administered food and water, even with a State law in place prohibiting such withdrawal.1986 - Florida Court of Appeals

The court found that Brophy, were he conscious, would want the feeding tube and life support systems disconnected. The court also found that Brophy could not be kept alive without his consent.

The ruling held that a patient need not be in a coma or near death to decline treatment. The 'right to privacy' may decide whether or not his or her 'quality of life' is sufficient to go on living.

This case vastly expanded the pool of patients whose food and water could be withdrawn, . In other words, third parties who could "best understand the patient's personal values and beliefs" could substitute their judgment for the patient's. The Court also ruled that, from this point onward, no Court hearing was necessary for health care facilities to gain permission to stop the feeding of a patient or patients.1987 - New Jersey Supreme Court

She and her family had expressed a wish that extraordinary measures not be implemented to extend her life. District Court Judge Francis Boyle ruled that the state-run General Hospital must remove her feeding tube.

. The North Dakota Court ruled that even food placed in a person's mouth is "artificial and intrusive," and a family could order such feeding stopped without Court intervention, and without confirmation from the patient.

118 posted on 09/21/2003 9:34:00 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: freeparoundtheclock
Thanks very much, freep, I'll be keeping up on this thread as well. ;-)
119 posted on 09/21/2003 9:46:58 PM PDT by kimmie7 (Terri's story must be told to the masses. Pray with us for this woman and her family.)
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To: All
I just emailed Michael W. Smith's web site and Amy Grant's web site. Everyone here, please send a quick email off to them and include a link to Terrisfight.org

Also in the subject heading PLEAD FOR HELP! write something like PLEASE! HELP SAVE TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO'S LIFE! Then ask them to consider putting on an emergency benefit concert for Terri.

I know it's a long shot, but, we have nothing to lose by trying. If they get thousands of Emails cying out for them to help Terri, maybe, just maybe, they will give this request some serious thought.

Michael W. Smith's fan mail address...
fanmail@michaelwsmith.com

Amy Grant's fan mail address...
friends@amygrant.com

Let me know if anyone gets a response and I will do the same.

Good luck and God Bless!

120 posted on 09/21/2003 9:51:14 PM PDT by GWB and GOP Man (Conservative for Life)
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