That's just your silly opinion, and hardly empty rhetoric. Let's review Koestler's quote to understand why it is false excrement in the application to this discussion shall we?
"The continuous disasters of man's history are mainly due to his excessive capacity and urge to become identified with a tribe, nation, church or cause........"
If being identified with a tribe engenders disaster, what disaster did the tribe of Puritans who made up the Mayflower Compact contribute to?
If being identified with a nation engenders disaster, what disaster did the 13 Colonies and their desire to become a nation contribute to?
If being identified with a church engenders disaster, what disaster did the Christian Churches at our Founding and 223 years hence contribute to?
If being identified with a cause engenders disaster, what disaster did the cause of liberty and independence did our Founders contribute to?
Ludicrous empty rhetoric? Hardly. My charge against that quote stands boldly since you have provided no proof beyond your own opinion that my charge is invalid.
Prove what I said otherwise please, historical examples and Quotations from the Founders to back your point would be helpful.
I suggest you get some new lines of your own.
Why should I when the Founders words themselves speak more wisdom than I myself am capable? And if I get 'lines of my own', would you not then charge me with simple opinion rather than fact? Of course you would - I know your type.
Years ago I learned that 'quote wars' are futile. Anyone can search & find, and 'prove' virtually anything with the written words of our founders.
So discount them wholesale and make factual points based upon your own interpretations and opinion? Not a chance bub. Nice try to get us to ignore the plain words of the men who established this Republic. What they said establishes the very points of fact I am making, and you thusfar have provided ZILCH to back-up or make any point to refute what I've argued or said aside from your own hubris postulation.
They corresponded a lot, and unless their words are read in context, can easily be misconstrued.
Yes, absolutely.
Now I invite you to look up all the quotations I provided in this discussion, read them in the context by which they were originally given and PROVE them misapplied to this argument. Prove all things, hold fast to that which is good.
Now PROVE your points have any validity outside of your own opinion.