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Srebrenica Casualty Numbers Challenged by Experts as Politicized and Ethnically Divisive
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/decani/message/77206 ^ | September 20, 2003 | The International Strategic Studies Association (ISSA)

Posted on 09/21/2003 8:34:13 AM PDT by joan

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Srebrenica Casualty Numbers Challenged by Experts as Politicized and Ethnically Divisive

WASHINGTON, DC, September 18, 2003: On the eve of the dedication of a monument to Muslims killed at Srebrenica, in Bosnia-Herzegovina, in 1995, a group which includes a former UN official, intelligence experts, and journalists, released a statement challenging the alleged casualty number of 7,000 victims as "vastly inflated and unsupported by evidence".

They asserted that one-sided interventionist policies permitted al-Qaida forces and radical Islamists backed by the Iranian clerical government to take root during the Bosnian war, clouding the future of the region. As well, they agreed that the "memorialization" of false numbers in the monument actually appeared to be intended to perpetuate regional ethnic hatred and distrust and to deliberately punish one of the victim groups in the Bosnian civil war. Former US President Bill Clinton is expected to attend and legitimize the dedication of the monument at Srebrenica, which was constructed using one million dollars of US Embassy funds at the request of High Representative Paddy Ashdown. But former BBC journalist Jonathan Rooper, who has researched the events in Srebrenica since 1995, says that the region was a graveyard for Serbs as well as Muslims and that a monument to inflated casualties on one side "serves neither truth nor the goal of reconciliation".

Phillip Corwin, former UN Civilian Affairs Coordinator in Bosnia during the 1990s, said: "What happened in Srebrenica was not a single large massacre of Muslims by Serbs, but rather a series of very bloody attacks and counterattacks over a three year period which reached a crescendo in July of 1995." Mr. Corwin is author of Dubious Mandate, an account of his experiences during the conflict. He points out that Srebrenica, which was designated a safe zone, was never demilitarized as it was claimed to be, and that Muslim paramilitary leader Nasir Oric, who controlled Srebrenica, launched repeated attacks on surrounding Serb villages. He noted: "I was the United Nations" chief political officer in Bosnia the day that Srebrenica fell. Coincidentally, it was the same day that the Bosnian Government tried to assassinate me as I drove over Mount Igman on the way to Sarajevo."

Intelligence expert and strategist Gregory Copley, President of the International Strategic Studies Association and the ISSA's Balkan & Eastern Mediterranean Policy Council, accused US Ambassador Donald Hays, who serves as Deputy High Representative of Bosnia-Herzegovina, of using the power of the Office of the High Representative (OHR) governing Bosnia "to force Bosnian Serb elected officials to sign a fraudulent document accepting the official version of events in Srebrenica. The leaders of Republica Srpska [the predominantly Serbian province of Bosnia-Herzegovina] invited the office of the High Representative to join their investigation of the events in Srebrenica. Instead they were told they were told to sign a statement drafted by OHR endorsing casualty figures they publicly disagreed with." Copley added: "It is significant in that the former US Clinton Administration fought this war unquestioningly supporting only the Croat and Muslim factions and disregarding the historic alliance of the Serbian peoples with the US. Then, after the war, the Clinton Administration failed to follow US tradition in helping to heal the wounds of war, but, rather, perpetuated ethnic divisions and hatreds. This differs from the US role in all other wars."

"Unfortunately, all of the policies and officials put in place in the region by the Clinton Administration remain. The current Bush Administration has neglected the Balkans and has, instead, allowed the Clinton policies to continue, which has meant that divisive politics continue. This, then, requires the ongoing commitment of US peacekeeping forces in both Bosnia and in the Kosovo province of Serbia."

Copley added that, according to intelligence obtained from Islamist sources, that the monument was intended to become a shrine for radical Islamists in Europe and site for annual pilgrimages. He added: "Deputy High Representative Donald Hays forced the Republica Srpska Government to issue a statement which accepted the radical Islamists" version of the Srebrenica affair, despite the fact that the Office of High Representative does not have any investigative capability of its own to make a valid assumption on the matter. As well, the International Criminal Tribunal on Yugoslavia (ICTY) in The Hague " no friend of the Serbs " has itself not completed its investigation of Srebrenica, and nor has the office of the Government of Republica Srpska which has been working with the ICTY."

Amb.. Hays and OHR chief Paddy Ashdown forced the Republica Srpska statement merely to ensure that the opening of the "shrine" " to be attended by Clinton " would vindicate Clinton Administration policies of support for the radical Islamists." Yossef Bodansky, who has written several books on the war in Yugoslavia and also serves as Research Director of ISSA, calls the 7,000 figure "disinformation" and notes that "all independent forensic evidence points to Muslim casualties in the hundreds, possibly the low hundreds. Continued emphasis on such allegedly high numbers of Muslim deaths at Srebrenica also obfuscates the Muslim murders in that city, earlier, of Serb civilians." Bodansky also wrote extensively on the link between Osama bin Laden and the Bosnian Islamists in numerous articles and special reports and three books, including Offensive in the Balkans: the Potential for a Wider War as a Result of Foreign Intervention in Bosnia-Herzegovina (1995), Some Call it Peace: Waiting for War in the Balkans (1996), and Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared War on America (1999).

Rooper says that at least 1,000 Serbs, mostly civilians, were killed by forces led by Oric who did not bother to hide his crimes, even showing videotapes of slaughtered Serbs to Western journalists. Meanwhile a group of academic experts and journalists from the United States, Canada, Germany, France, Serbia, and the United Kingdom has been organized by Professor Edward S. Herman of the University of Pennsylvania to examine the evidence regarding events at Srebrenica in July 1995 and earlier, how the media reported these events, and the political role of claims about Srebrenica. It is expected that a report from this group will be available in June 2004. Rooper points out that the 40,000 inhabitants the UN used in July of 1995 before the capture of Srebrenica roughly matches the number of former residents accounted for in the aftermath. A commander of the Muslim-dominated Army of BiH (Bosnia-Herzegovina) later confirmed to parliament in Sarajevo that 5,000 BiH troops escaped largely intact to Tuzla while the UN registered some 35,632 civilian survivors.

While the capture of Srebrenica was reported in July 1995, as it unfolded, an international outcry only took place a month later, after Madeleine Albright, then US representative to the UN, held up a photo which she said provided evidence that thousands of Muslim victims had been buried at field near Nova Kasaba, 19 kilometers from Srebrenica. Excavations which took place following the war, however, yielded 33 bodies at Nova Kasaba. Two years after the event, a total of 400 bodies had been found at 20 sites near Srebrenica, an area which had seen bloody fighting over a three year period. Instead of acknowledging that there was no support for the original figures, Rooper says a various means were used to prop up the official story.

"Spokesmen for the Clinton Administration suggested that Serbs might have moved the bodies to other locations. Rooper points out that excavating, transporting and reburying 7,000 bodies was "not only beyond the capabilities of the thinly stretched, petrol-starved Bosnian Serb Army, but would have been easily detected under intense surveillance from satellites and geostationary drones.

By 1998, thousands of bodies excavated from all across Bosnia were stored at the Tuzla airport. Despite state of the art DNA testing, only 200 bodies have been linked to Srebrenica. Around 3,000 names on a list of Srebrenica victims compiled by the Red Cross matched voters in the Bosnian election in 1996. "I pointed out to the OSCE that there had either been massive election fraud or almost half the people on the ICRC missing list were still alive," says Rooper. "The OSCE finally responded that the voting lists had been locked away in warehouses and it would not be possible for them to investigate."

The inflated Srebrenica statistics are part of a larger picture that intelligence experts such as Bodansky and Copley find troubling. They say US policymakers have been slow to recognize that Bosnia is viewed as a strategic base for operations in Europe by al-Qaida and the HizbAllah. In 1993, when the Clinton Administration was strongly backing the Muslim President of Bosnia, Alija Izetbegovic, Osama Bin Ladin was regular visitor to his office, according to Renate Flottau of the German weekly, Der Spiegel. The Bosnian daily, Dani, reported that the Vienna Embassy of BiH issued a passport to Bin Ladin in 1993.

A special report by Copley, issued Tuesday, September 16. 2003. noted that Bosnia-Herzegovina Ambassador Huso Zivalj, who issued the passport to Bin Ladin, later served as Bosnian Ambassador to the United Nations in September 11. "It is becoming increasingly clear that the movement of Zivalj to the New York post just before (and his departure just after) the September 11,2001 attacks was not coincidental."

"To refer to US Bosnia policy as a success story is to disregard substantial evidence to the contrary. Instead of misplaced symbolism in Srebrenica, US policymakers need to take a hard look at assumptions which have guided US actions in the region," Copley said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: balkans; campaignfinance; racak; srebrenica
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To: FormerLib
Substituting HTML knowledge for argument, as usual. Pathetic.
621 posted on 10/19/2003 3:07:55 PM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: joan
Serbia, with the Milosevic government in power, also did a tremendous amount of reconstruction>>

Of *what*, perchance? Serb army barracks?
622 posted on 10/19/2003 3:12:43 PM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
That's not argument, that's mockery!

I realize when intelligent argument is wasted! LOL!

623 posted on 10/19/2003 4:39:18 PM PDT by FormerLib (The enemy is within!)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Then you'd probably be happier in the KLA camp, from whom the US rightly rejected any of their troops! Hey, maybe you'd be next for the "Level-flight only" courses on airline jets!
624 posted on 10/19/2003 4:41:12 PM PDT by FormerLib (The enemy is within!)
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To: FormerLib
Typical. Lose an argument, call your opponent a terrorist. You would have been right at home in Bijeljina in '92.
625 posted on 10/19/2003 6:01:32 PM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: kosta50

No, perhaps not recently [as far as we know], but things happen. The truth usually comes out loooong after the fact.

626 posted on 10/19/2003 7:51:00 PM PDT by kosta50
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To: mark502inf
and we didn't bombard or burn down villages and villagers. And that is the difference

No, perhaps not in recent times, but things happen, and we fess up to it loooong afterwards, don't we?

627 posted on 10/19/2003 7:56:08 PM PDT by kosta50
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Except you're never won an argument on this board, Bonly boy!
628 posted on 10/20/2003 8:35:40 AM PDT by FormerLib (The enemy is within!)
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To: FormerLib
One cannot win against the wilfully blind. One can only hope to show them up to others to BE wilfully blind.

Keep waving your pompoms, Slobo, we know who did what. And so does everyone else.
629 posted on 10/20/2003 9:41:31 AM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
And while Slobo rightfully ends his days in prison, the United States realizes that her enemies are Serbia's enemies, her friends are Serbia's friends. And it must really irritate you to see it all happen!
630 posted on 10/20/2003 2:12:51 PM PDT by FormerLib (The enemy is within!)
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To: FormerLib
I will agree with you, for anyone who shot or raped a Muslim in the late war was far more Serbia's enemy than any "mohammedan"--and did her far worse damage than even Izetbegovic, whose only crime was beating Slobo at his own game.
631 posted on 10/20/2003 3:01:06 PM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
The behavior that you describe is a criminal act. Anyone committing such an act is a criminal.

The day that I'm waiting for is the day you admit that killing or raping a Serb is a bad thing to do.

632 posted on 10/20/2003 3:07:33 PM PDT by FormerLib (The enemy is within!)
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To: FormerLib
The day that I'm waiting for is the day you admit that killing or raping a Serb is a bad thing to do.>>

THAT DAY HAS COME.

Killing or raping a Serb is a bad thing to do.

Killing or raping a Muslim is ALSO a bad thing to do.

Are you happy now?
633 posted on 10/21/2003 4:15:10 AM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Yes, I am happy about this breakthrough!

Now we just have to work on getting you to accept the idea that we feel the same!
634 posted on 10/21/2003 1:03:08 PM PDT by FormerLib (The enemy is within!)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones; downunder
They did an incredible amount of reconstruction - even Western media reported on it. And those who visited during late 1999 until the October 2000 coup witnessed it:

http://www.geocities.com/cpa_blacktown/20000408borba05.04.htm:

...The first stage of reconstruction was completed in the shortest possible time, between April and Nov. 29, 1999, with the rebuilding of bridges, roads and railway tracks of prime importance, and all families left homeless in the air strikes moved into new homes. The electric power grid was totally restored, and the damaged schools, hospitals and other public facilities rebuilt. Factories damaged or destroyed in the aggression resumed production. Speedy reconstruction has continued also in the second stage, with the building of projects of great importance to a dynamic and efficacious economic and overall growth. By April 3, 2000, work has been completed on 113 construction projects. Thirty-three road bridges, five railway bridges, two roads, five detours, 470 housing units have been built, 174 homes have been repaired, four heating plants have been rebuilt, eight schools, five hospitals, two firms and 15 other public facilities. Work is in progress on 76 projects -- 15 roads, 13 railways and 48 buildings with 535 flats. Over the past year, 200 domestic companies have employed more than 140,000 workers on rebuilding NATO-wreaked devastation. The work done conforms to the highest standards and has been financed only from real sources, the Directorate said.


635 posted on 10/21/2003 4:10:50 PM PDT by joan
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Nato bombing did this:

http://www.zastava-kovacnica.co.yu/onama/bombardovanje/bombardovanjee.htm

Reconstruction after the bombing:

After destroy of the company, parallely with the cleaning up, started reconstruction of the production equipment. After bombing by the end of 2000 the following was done:


Zastava Kovacnica after reconstruction


636 posted on 10/21/2003 4:26:39 PM PDT by joan
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Note this is before Milosevic's ouster:

http://www.hannibal.net/stories/092200/new_0922000017.html

Friday, September 22, 2000

An unidentified elderly man watches the final preparations to complete construction of the Varadin Rainbow bridge across Danube River in downtown Novi Sad, Thursday. All three bridges over Danube River, linking new and old parts of Yugoslavia's second largest town were downed during NATO's air campaign last year. Varadin is the name of medieval castle in old part of the city.


637 posted on 10/21/2003 4:32:28 PM PDT by joan
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Written by Rob Gowland for The Guardian in March 2000:

In fact, the Serbs accomplished some remarkable feats of construction in tackling NATO's handiwork: they built new railway bridges in 60 days, for example. They set a world record for the construction of steel bridges.

At the same time, despite the urgency of the situation, historic old stone bridges were carefully restored, not just replaced with modern steel structures.

Since the end of hostilities the Ministry for Reconstruction has fully restored or replaced:

28 main bridges
4 railway bridges
2 roads
1 railway line
4 heating plants
7 schools or colleges
4 hospitals
445 houses or flats and the Museum of Modern Art in Belgrade.

Work is presently going on at 65 sites, including ten road bridges, 12 railway bridges, two schools and 201 flats or houses.

http://www.zipworld.com.au/~cpa/garchve2/993yug.html


638 posted on 10/21/2003 4:42:01 PM PDT by joan
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To: joan
And who's supplying the money for that? The Europeans and the Americans.

That the Serbs can fix things is well known. When they start to ressurect the dead of Srebrenica, however, then I will be impressed.
639 posted on 10/22/2003 3:26:29 AM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: FormerLib
In spite of the fact that you are usually grossly insulting to me I recognize that you are of a different order from Destro and Company, since you recognize that the massacre of the Muslims in the war was a bad thing. I don't support genocide against anybody. And thinking the Muslims were unjustly done against in the late war neither makes me a Muslim or a fan of Islam (and anyone who knows Bosnia in the slightest knows that the Bosniacs are the world's WORST Muslims, God bless 'em).

And, although I occasionally post insults to the Honor of the Serbian People on this board, I don't really mean them; I just know that it ticks off mindless chetniks of the Wend/Destro/AlternateReality variety. Seeing the Sreb dead close up left me rather intolerant of nationalist see-no-evilism, regardless who does it.

You have no reason to love me. But know that I'm not quite the gibbering bigoted monster you seem to imagine.
640 posted on 10/22/2003 3:32:09 AM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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