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Srebrenica Casualty Numbers Challenged by Experts as Politicized and Ethnically Divisive
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/decani/message/77206 ^ | September 20, 2003 | The International Strategic Studies Association (ISSA)

Posted on 09/21/2003 8:34:13 AM PDT by joan

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Srebrenica Casualty Numbers Challenged by Experts as Politicized and Ethnically Divisive

WASHINGTON, DC, September 18, 2003: On the eve of the dedication of a monument to Muslims killed at Srebrenica, in Bosnia-Herzegovina, in 1995, a group which includes a former UN official, intelligence experts, and journalists, released a statement challenging the alleged casualty number of 7,000 victims as "vastly inflated and unsupported by evidence".

They asserted that one-sided interventionist policies permitted al-Qaida forces and radical Islamists backed by the Iranian clerical government to take root during the Bosnian war, clouding the future of the region. As well, they agreed that the "memorialization" of false numbers in the monument actually appeared to be intended to perpetuate regional ethnic hatred and distrust and to deliberately punish one of the victim groups in the Bosnian civil war. Former US President Bill Clinton is expected to attend and legitimize the dedication of the monument at Srebrenica, which was constructed using one million dollars of US Embassy funds at the request of High Representative Paddy Ashdown. But former BBC journalist Jonathan Rooper, who has researched the events in Srebrenica since 1995, says that the region was a graveyard for Serbs as well as Muslims and that a monument to inflated casualties on one side "serves neither truth nor the goal of reconciliation".

Phillip Corwin, former UN Civilian Affairs Coordinator in Bosnia during the 1990s, said: "What happened in Srebrenica was not a single large massacre of Muslims by Serbs, but rather a series of very bloody attacks and counterattacks over a three year period which reached a crescendo in July of 1995." Mr. Corwin is author of Dubious Mandate, an account of his experiences during the conflict. He points out that Srebrenica, which was designated a safe zone, was never demilitarized as it was claimed to be, and that Muslim paramilitary leader Nasir Oric, who controlled Srebrenica, launched repeated attacks on surrounding Serb villages. He noted: "I was the United Nations" chief political officer in Bosnia the day that Srebrenica fell. Coincidentally, it was the same day that the Bosnian Government tried to assassinate me as I drove over Mount Igman on the way to Sarajevo."

Intelligence expert and strategist Gregory Copley, President of the International Strategic Studies Association and the ISSA's Balkan & Eastern Mediterranean Policy Council, accused US Ambassador Donald Hays, who serves as Deputy High Representative of Bosnia-Herzegovina, of using the power of the Office of the High Representative (OHR) governing Bosnia "to force Bosnian Serb elected officials to sign a fraudulent document accepting the official version of events in Srebrenica. The leaders of Republica Srpska [the predominantly Serbian province of Bosnia-Herzegovina] invited the office of the High Representative to join their investigation of the events in Srebrenica. Instead they were told they were told to sign a statement drafted by OHR endorsing casualty figures they publicly disagreed with." Copley added: "It is significant in that the former US Clinton Administration fought this war unquestioningly supporting only the Croat and Muslim factions and disregarding the historic alliance of the Serbian peoples with the US. Then, after the war, the Clinton Administration failed to follow US tradition in helping to heal the wounds of war, but, rather, perpetuated ethnic divisions and hatreds. This differs from the US role in all other wars."

"Unfortunately, all of the policies and officials put in place in the region by the Clinton Administration remain. The current Bush Administration has neglected the Balkans and has, instead, allowed the Clinton policies to continue, which has meant that divisive politics continue. This, then, requires the ongoing commitment of US peacekeeping forces in both Bosnia and in the Kosovo province of Serbia."

Copley added that, according to intelligence obtained from Islamist sources, that the monument was intended to become a shrine for radical Islamists in Europe and site for annual pilgrimages. He added: "Deputy High Representative Donald Hays forced the Republica Srpska Government to issue a statement which accepted the radical Islamists" version of the Srebrenica affair, despite the fact that the Office of High Representative does not have any investigative capability of its own to make a valid assumption on the matter. As well, the International Criminal Tribunal on Yugoslavia (ICTY) in The Hague " no friend of the Serbs " has itself not completed its investigation of Srebrenica, and nor has the office of the Government of Republica Srpska which has been working with the ICTY."

Amb.. Hays and OHR chief Paddy Ashdown forced the Republica Srpska statement merely to ensure that the opening of the "shrine" " to be attended by Clinton " would vindicate Clinton Administration policies of support for the radical Islamists." Yossef Bodansky, who has written several books on the war in Yugoslavia and also serves as Research Director of ISSA, calls the 7,000 figure "disinformation" and notes that "all independent forensic evidence points to Muslim casualties in the hundreds, possibly the low hundreds. Continued emphasis on such allegedly high numbers of Muslim deaths at Srebrenica also obfuscates the Muslim murders in that city, earlier, of Serb civilians." Bodansky also wrote extensively on the link between Osama bin Laden and the Bosnian Islamists in numerous articles and special reports and three books, including Offensive in the Balkans: the Potential for a Wider War as a Result of Foreign Intervention in Bosnia-Herzegovina (1995), Some Call it Peace: Waiting for War in the Balkans (1996), and Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared War on America (1999).

Rooper says that at least 1,000 Serbs, mostly civilians, were killed by forces led by Oric who did not bother to hide his crimes, even showing videotapes of slaughtered Serbs to Western journalists. Meanwhile a group of academic experts and journalists from the United States, Canada, Germany, France, Serbia, and the United Kingdom has been organized by Professor Edward S. Herman of the University of Pennsylvania to examine the evidence regarding events at Srebrenica in July 1995 and earlier, how the media reported these events, and the political role of claims about Srebrenica. It is expected that a report from this group will be available in June 2004. Rooper points out that the 40,000 inhabitants the UN used in July of 1995 before the capture of Srebrenica roughly matches the number of former residents accounted for in the aftermath. A commander of the Muslim-dominated Army of BiH (Bosnia-Herzegovina) later confirmed to parliament in Sarajevo that 5,000 BiH troops escaped largely intact to Tuzla while the UN registered some 35,632 civilian survivors.

While the capture of Srebrenica was reported in July 1995, as it unfolded, an international outcry only took place a month later, after Madeleine Albright, then US representative to the UN, held up a photo which she said provided evidence that thousands of Muslim victims had been buried at field near Nova Kasaba, 19 kilometers from Srebrenica. Excavations which took place following the war, however, yielded 33 bodies at Nova Kasaba. Two years after the event, a total of 400 bodies had been found at 20 sites near Srebrenica, an area which had seen bloody fighting over a three year period. Instead of acknowledging that there was no support for the original figures, Rooper says a various means were used to prop up the official story.

"Spokesmen for the Clinton Administration suggested that Serbs might have moved the bodies to other locations. Rooper points out that excavating, transporting and reburying 7,000 bodies was "not only beyond the capabilities of the thinly stretched, petrol-starved Bosnian Serb Army, but would have been easily detected under intense surveillance from satellites and geostationary drones.

By 1998, thousands of bodies excavated from all across Bosnia were stored at the Tuzla airport. Despite state of the art DNA testing, only 200 bodies have been linked to Srebrenica. Around 3,000 names on a list of Srebrenica victims compiled by the Red Cross matched voters in the Bosnian election in 1996. "I pointed out to the OSCE that there had either been massive election fraud or almost half the people on the ICRC missing list were still alive," says Rooper. "The OSCE finally responded that the voting lists had been locked away in warehouses and it would not be possible for them to investigate."

The inflated Srebrenica statistics are part of a larger picture that intelligence experts such as Bodansky and Copley find troubling. They say US policymakers have been slow to recognize that Bosnia is viewed as a strategic base for operations in Europe by al-Qaida and the HizbAllah. In 1993, when the Clinton Administration was strongly backing the Muslim President of Bosnia, Alija Izetbegovic, Osama Bin Ladin was regular visitor to his office, according to Renate Flottau of the German weekly, Der Spiegel. The Bosnian daily, Dani, reported that the Vienna Embassy of BiH issued a passport to Bin Ladin in 1993.

A special report by Copley, issued Tuesday, September 16. 2003. noted that Bosnia-Herzegovina Ambassador Huso Zivalj, who issued the passport to Bin Ladin, later served as Bosnian Ambassador to the United Nations in September 11. "It is becoming increasingly clear that the movement of Zivalj to the New York post just before (and his departure just after) the September 11,2001 attacks was not coincidental."

"To refer to US Bosnia policy as a success story is to disregard substantial evidence to the contrary. Instead of misplaced symbolism in Srebrenica, US policymakers need to take a hard look at assumptions which have guided US actions in the region," Copley said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: balkans; campaignfinance; racak; srebrenica
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To: Lion in Winter
I am new to the Balkan threads. One thing for sure, IF clinton/clark had anything to do with a foreign policy, THEN IT HAD TO BOGUS.>>

I hate Clinton and all his works and worked for his impeachment. Nevertheless his intervention in Bosnia, EVEN FOR THE WRONG REASONS, was the right thing to do, because (a) the Serbs would have done to Gorazde, Sarajevo etc what they DID in Srebrenica/Bratunac, and (b) the Muslims would have been left in a tiny bantustan which would have REALLY radicalized them: the Serbs and OBL would have had the same ultimate goal. I've said it before: the stopped clock principle applies.

Of course, this is because I'm a clintonoid and a participant in the Worldwide Conspiracy Against The Serbs, right? Of course right. :-P pfffffft.
241 posted on 09/29/2003 3:40:41 AM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: getgoing
From a Clark site: "Clark in 2004 Supporters Worldwide. So far, 30668 have signed up." (worldwide? illegal aliens in Kosovo vote in the US now?)>>

Man, losing bites, don't it?
242 posted on 09/29/2003 3:42:27 AM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: mark502inf; Wraith
Thank you for the very thoughful and interesting post.

Inquest, actually whether or not some of the Albanians had fired weapons sometime prior to being killed is irrelevant. For the Serb forces to kill a combatant under their control was just as wrong as deliberately killing a noncombatant or civilian. And that is what occurred at Racak--Serbs murdered Albanians.

Although Wraith hasn't been around much lately, I'm pinging him to this thread in hopes that he'll engage you in a Racak discussion. He was in Racak nearly immediately after the supposed massacre took place and he sees the incident in a much different light. He believes that the Albanians killed at Racak were loyal to Rugova and were forced to fight and die by forces loyal to Thaci. Other sources of mine that were very close to the investigation are as sure that Racak was a set up as you claim Ranta is sure that Serbs murdered Albanians under their control. I've always believed that it was a set up, but you seem to be a person of integrity so I'll keep an open mind.

I was a skeptic, having been against the entire Kosovo intervention and having encountered overblown claims by ethnic Albanians in other instances, to include "victims" who had been coached by the KLA. However, in the Racak case--as well as many others--it is irrefutable that Serb elements--usually paramilitaries, but sometime the Yugo Army or police, committed murder.

Ironicly, Wraith was FOR the intervention by NATO to stop the Serbs' clumsy counter-insurgency campaign [I believe there's been much too much "the Serbs are evil" and not nearly enough criticism of their incompetent and outdated tactics of counter-insurgency] yet he is convinced Racak was a set up and William Walker was the point man.

Your description of just who the Serb perpetrators of atrocities in Kosovo were is just how I understand it. As far as I can tell, it the crimes were usually committed by paramilitary forces or spontaneous local Serb militias with an axe to grind. I've talked to a few guys that were regular Serb army or MUPs in Kosovo and they told me that they had very specific orders handed down from Milosevic NOT to harm any Albanians that weren't hurting Serbs. While I'm certainly no big fan of Milosevic, these former soldiers and police officers claim that Milosevic actually prevented a genocide in Kosovo. Now THAT'S irony.

time to open your eyes & your minds.

That's great advice for anybody. Ideally, I believe, everyone should wake up every morning and say this to themselves before they begin to approach the day.

No matter how much I learn about the various elements and incidents that are part of the divorce proceedings of the former Yugoslavia, each day I tell myself, "Then again... I could be dead wrong." There's way too much BS flying around about the former Yugoslavia to be too sure of anything that went on there.

243 posted on 09/29/2003 3:58:25 AM PDT by getoffmylawn (please, God... don't let the Cubs win the World Series. I don't want to have to leave Chicago)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
The only thing that makes your hatred of Serbs tolerable is the fact that you're not bright enough to hide it.
244 posted on 09/29/2003 4:05:52 AM PDT by getoffmylawn (please, God... don't let the Cubs win the World Series. I don't want to have to leave Chicago)
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To: kosta50
Gde si, bre?
245 posted on 09/29/2003 4:10:45 AM PDT by getoffmylawn (please, God... don't let the Cubs win the World Series. I don't want to have to leave Chicago)
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To: getoffmylawn
The only thing that makes your hatred of Muslims tolerable is the fact that you don't have the same means of expressing it that certain Serbs did during the war.
246 posted on 09/29/2003 5:24:06 AM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: All
The genesis of the recent problems in Kosovo was Milosevic rescinding the autonomy of the Kosovo region in 89

As I read it, he had to; every other ethnic group in Kosovo was being brutalized by albanian savages. The web site linked above is a NY Times article from 1987. A few highlights:

...A young Army conscript of ethnic Albanian origin shot up his barracks, killing four sleeping Slavic bunkmates and wounding six others.

...The army says it has uncovered hundreds of subversive ethnic Albanian cells in its ranks. Some arsenals have been raided.

...Ethnic Albanians in the Government have manipulated public funds and regulations to take over land belonging to Serbs. And politicians have exchanged vicious insults.

...Slavic Orthodox churches have been attacked, and flags have been torn down. Wells have been poisoned and crops burned. Slavic boys have been knifed, and some young ethnic Albanians have been told by their elders to rape Serbian girls...

There's a lot more. I mean, don't you just love the idea of your tax dollars being used to bomb an innocent Christian country into the stone age for these kinds of people?

247 posted on 09/29/2003 7:44:52 AM PDT by judywillow (the supposed Kr)
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To: getgoing
The ride will go on again next year, despite the first-time setbacks encountered. They were expected but they were noted for erasure in 2004.
248 posted on 09/29/2003 9:44:13 AM PDT by alternatediscourse (Magnificent Seven - 1 of 7 - Ghosts)
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To: mark502inf
Judywillow, you are supporting your opinion with articles from anti-American lefties--doesn't that give you a little pause

You quote from "Pro-American or Anti-Serb" sites, right? They will spin their stories and "facts" to highlight their cause.

249 posted on 09/29/2003 9:46:49 AM PDT by alternatediscourse (Magnificent Seven - 1 of 7 - Ghosts)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
It's just you are only good for entertainment. You are pathetic in your hatred... Do you think I hate muslims?
250 posted on 09/29/2003 9:48:52 AM PDT by alternatediscourse (Magnificent Seven - 1 of 7 - Ghosts)
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To: alternatediscourse
Do you think I hate muslims?>>

To a remarkable extent, yes, I think you do.
251 posted on 09/29/2003 9:51:46 AM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: judywillow
There's a lot more. I mean, don't you just love the idea of your tax dollars being used to bomb an innocent Christian country into the stone age for these kinds of people?>>

It might if it were true.
252 posted on 09/29/2003 9:53:00 AM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Would it shock you that I dated a practicing Muslim woman and even brought her to my Church on our Eastern Orthodox Easter services?
253 posted on 09/29/2003 9:56:17 AM PDT by alternatediscourse (Magnificent Seven - 1 of 7 - Ghosts)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
change your name from ronly bonly to bonehead jones, please. You are beyond disbelief, homeagain balkansvet.
254 posted on 09/29/2003 9:57:59 AM PDT by alternatediscourse (Magnificent Seven - 1 of 7 - Ghosts)
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To: alternatediscourse
That ronly-whatever is a clark/clinton foreign policy supporter and should NOT be on this site.

2004 is looming large and clark/clinton are now and will be continuing to go after Bush on his Iraq policy.

BUSH will go after the demon-twins of clark/clinton on the failed mission in Kosovo.

This election is not going to be just on the USA economy.

255 posted on 09/29/2003 10:19:36 AM PDT by Lion in Winter
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To: getgoing
They may not be able to vote but that money from illegal activities can sure fill clark/clinton's coffers up fast. Count on it. Soros, another albanian supporter will be contributing as well... he hates BUSH.
256 posted on 09/29/2003 10:22:39 AM PDT by Lion in Winter
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To: Lion in Winter
You see how bonehead shut his suck when I made a fool of his own bigotry when I opened up part of my personal life and made that revelation? haaaahhhhhhh!! SHOCKING!

it was a US civilian worker in Bosnia, and his own vile racism is sick.

257 posted on 09/29/2003 10:41:14 AM PDT by alternatediscourse (Magnificent Seven - 1 of 7 - Ghosts)
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To: alternatediscourse
That's RJB's next play fron his limited playbook, "Oh, you are just so MEAN and you hate all Muslims so I can ignore any truths you speak!"

Geez, does this guy celebrate the 911 attacks everyday? Hello?

258 posted on 09/29/2003 10:42:05 AM PDT by FormerLib (There's no hope on the left!)
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To: judywillow
His biggest worry is that we've been reminded about who are true enemies are and the Serbs that he hates so completely are back on their way to the US' Allies list!
259 posted on 09/29/2003 10:44:43 AM PDT by FormerLib (There's no hope on the left!)
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To: FormerLib
In all honesty, I don't even know any Serbs. What I do know is that during the eight-year reign of terror of the Clinton administration, only two groups of people to my knowledge ever tried to stand up to the beast and face it down, and that was Slobodan Milosevic and his Serbs, and the Mormons in Utah. That has to rate respect.

Other than that, there is the very real spectre of the UN stepping in and demanding that we hand Texas and California over to Mexico on this perverse basis of ethnicity being everything and ownership and sovereignty not counting for anything anymore. The precedent of Kosovo cannot be allowed to stand.

260 posted on 09/29/2003 11:24:13 AM PDT by judywillow (the supposed Kr)
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