Srebrenica Casualty Numbers Challenged by Experts as Politicized and Ethnically Divisive

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/decani/message/77206 ^ | September 20, 2003 | The International Strategic Studies Association (ISSA)

[joan]

"I [Phillip Corwin] was the United Nations" chief political officer in Bosnia the day that Srebrenica fell. Coincidentally, it was the same day that the Bosnian Government tried to assassinate me as I drove over Mount Igman on the way to Sarajevo."

If the Bosnia Government had succeeded in assassinating him, who do you think would get the blame for his death? Likely the Bosnian Muslim Government and the Western press would say it was "Serb snipers", and then add that the motive was because he'd been a witness to Serb atrocities.

But he survived the attempt and unambiguously states it was the Bosnian Government.

[Hoplite]

What's the point in posting disinformation about Srebrenica or the Bosnian war anymore Joan?

I note that your article, written in 2003, uses information from 1998, which means the author neatly avoids having to address recent information which invalidates the basis of the article in toto.

The intellectual lights you choose to illuminate your world are rather dim, Joan.

[joan]

What's this recent information you mention?

[hauerf]

I have never seen the new information to which you refer. Please post details if you've got them. Thanks.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Self knowledge of supreme blood guilt drives one to say the most astonishing things.

"My memory says, 'I did this.' My pride says, 'I did not do this.' Eventually, pride prevails." -- Nietzsche

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Five years of continued excavation and identification of the massacred by the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY).

The point of Destrojoan's continued propaganda is that they dedicated a monument at the Battery Factory at Potocari yesterday. Anything to deny Serb blood guilt. ANYTHING. No matter how much their claims are extracted with the assistance of flashlight-wielding proctologists.

[Dr. Frank fan]

What is "blood guilt"?

[Sparta]

Another thing to ask Wesley Clark about.

[joan]

Srebrenica is media hype. Where is the straightforward and open investigation and results, after all these years? Why no data base of who was found and the official autopsy results which would show if those dead were civilians or soldiers, were killed in battle or execution style, and so on.

Thousands of men from Srebrenica went to Tuzla. You were there in Tuzla. I'll bet it was flooded with Bosnian Muslim men, many tough looking brutes - those who raided Serb villages and had their headless bodies in heaps. Naser Oric showed his videos to Western reporters. Did you see Naser, the mass murderer, walking around Tuzla? Did you have drinks with him? Did you go to his clubs and businesses?

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

The guilt that comes from knowingly supporting war crimes in print.

Srebrenica was a mass war crime where thousands (certainly less than the 7000 claimed, but certainly more than 5,000) of males between the ages of "military aged males"--that is, males between the ages of 12 and 92--were gathered together, had their hands tied behind their backs, had their eyes covered with hoods, and had their brains blown out, one by one, by execution squads. Except for one memorable spot where they stuffed more than 1000 of them in a barn and machinegunned them to death. The Bosnian Serb Army then carried out two coverup operations: the first one immediately after the executions, where the dead were buried in "primary" mass graves, and then several months later, where the same units, using earth moving equipment, moved the bodies from the primary mass graves to several dozen secondary mass graves.

(The other 2000 or so were killed by Bosnian Serb soldiers in the field trying to escape from Potocari--a despicable act, but technically not a war crime.)

Joan and Destro and their sock puppets are aware of this, and have been spending months if not years claiming that it never happened, nobody saw the Serbs did it, and besides, the Muslims that they killed this way somehow "deserved" it. And they're enraged that Americans had to show up and spoil the fun. Look up their past posts and read for yourself.

A man who claims the Muslims "deserved" it at Srebrenica is a moral clone of a man who claims the Jews "deserved" it at Babi Yar. There is complete, utter and absolute moral identity between the two outlooks.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Srebrenica is media hype.>>

The stench of the Tuzla morgue is not media hype. And they have all the information you want right there. Take a trip. I can arrange a visit if you want.

[joan]

I honestly believe, the ones killed execution style, and not identified after all these years, are Serbs.

Stella Jatras told me:
"I've met a lady who, along with her husband, was in Bosnia from 1997 to 1998. She was with NATO working with General Shinseki and he was a former LAPD working with the UN. He said that he was sent to investigate mass graves containing the bodies of Bosnian Muslims and Croats and upon each and every investigation, it turned out that the mass graves contained the bodies of Serb soldiers who had been shot in the back of the head. When he protested to his superiors about the inacuracies of the reporting, they told him to shut up."

Is not Tuzla the place where bodies from all throughout Bosnia are brought? About a year ago, I read a short report that said bodies in Croatia, just over the border from Bosnia, would be brought to the Tuzla morgue, as it was believed they were "Bosnian." But I'd bet they were Bosnian Serb, for the Croat army crossed right into Bosnia and had brigades stationed in Bosnia during the war.

[Hoplite]

By 1998, thousands of bodies excavated from all across Bosnia were stored at the Tuzla airport. Despite state of the art DNA testing, only 200 bodies have been linked to Srebrenica.

Compare and contrast

Since July 1995, when the ICRC started to collect the information needed to trace people unaccounted for after the fall of Srebrenica, the organization has received 7,599 enquiries regarding people who went missing in the town. Only 22 people have been found alive; the mortal remains of 1,083 others have been identified. source

Furthermore, with Nikolic and Obrenovic cooperating with the Tribunal, further Srebrenica secondary gravesites, like Crni Vrh are being uncovered, and the true nature of the ethnic cleansing campaign waged by the Serbs in Eastern Bosnia is becoming clearer, and harder to lie about.

[Hoplite]

Nietzsche?

Aye Carumba!

[nutmeg]

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[Destro]

Srebrenica is a hoax! Always has been.

[Hoplite]

The notion that you have anything useful to say or are capable of participating in a discussion as an informed individual has been disproven, Destro.

Take a hike.

[Destro]

"As a result of the Srebrenica hoax, a new order of the world is beginning to take shape, where the UNHCR [United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees] assists in creating refugees, where the Red Cross helps separate families and where Tribunals indict first and look for crimes later." - G. Pumphrey

[Destro]

"The Mass Grave of 7,000 Victims in Srebrenica that Madeleine Albright showed the world satellite photographs of was a hoax"