RED (as in Hollyweird Leftist) ALERT: Boycott New Clint Eastwood Produced "Mystic River"

9/20/03 | Maryellen Davies

[sasafras]

I wasnt aware of that - is that where you go to get it. I'll stay away thanks for the info.

[The South Texan]

Just wait till it comes out on video and rent it at the video store. I don't think Hoolywood makes any money off rental fees from your local video store. They just make money off the initial sale of the video to the video store.

[freekitty]

I still say you are capable of understanding. Please quit trying to pretend you don't.

[John Robertson]

After all the Freepers who've talked to me--and me to them--about a man's word being his bond, I thought you would understand when I gave you mine. But, as I've learned in the last few days, on this thread, there are Freepers ...and there are freepers. I still don't know what you meant, but I'm no longer giving you my word on that--I just don't give a damn.

[freekitty]

All I have heard from you are just words.

[John Robertson]

"All I have heard from you are just words."

The most brilliant reply ever issued on FR, surely.

Or do I mean….Shirley?

Some reasonable, sane Freeper wrote to me privately to suggest what you were implying. I see you must have issues. I’d like to re-post what I wrote re Sasafras (but you must know him, right?):

"Apparently Sasafras thinks we have some connection other than the mutual desire to see opposing arguments conducted in a civil, logical, courteous, respectful, intelligent... reasonably well-written manner.

I wonder if it might be this: I'm in my 50s, and, looking back across my whole life, there has not been one exception, in my experience, to what I can now safely call a rule: Whenever a man starts pointing the You-must-be-a-queer finger around, it has always been because he has sexual identity issues of his own. Always. Not necessarily that he's homosexual himself (though that has often been the case), but that he has otherwise maladapted to becoming a sexually well-adjusted adult. Our possible connection might be, perhaps you have made similar observations."

[freekitty]

No, I haven't made similar observations. I never even thought about homosexualty being involved. I don't think it is, anyway. You do seem to have a gift with words; but I am curious as to why there is no sincerity in them. This is not a slam. It is really an observation. You seem to have the talent, imagination, etc.; but putting people on the defensive is not a good thing. Sometimes, it's not important what you say; but it is always important if you are sincere. I hope I am not sounding like I am lecturing; but you seem to have it. Use it.

[John Robertson]

Okay, you played the sincerity card. Well, everyone's a critic, of course. But I think I do get sincerity into my words. I know a lot of sources have paid me a lot of money for a long time for doing it, so maybe you're overjudging.

Now that I have my snarkiness out of the way, let me a, thank you, for being reasonable and writing something very well (you too seem to have a gift for writing), and, b, complimenting my writing ability (I am a professional).

"No, I haven't made similar observations." This is actually a mis-read on your part--the "have you noticed" question was meant for another Freeper, but I just copied you on it. If I failed to communicate (and it looks like I did), my fault.

As far as the homosexuality thing goes...did you or did you not imply that with the "trolling" thing you brought up?I didn't know that use of the word, but, as I said, a Freeper private-mailed me saying that's what he thought you were getting at, and so I made the leap. Since the subject had been brought up by a poster who thought he could argue his way out of his paper bag by casting sexual aspersions, I assumed that's what you meant. You must admit, up till this latest post, you were less than complimentary. Oh, let's just say it: You were provocative, to put it kindly.

So, if I misunderstood what you meant...I apologize.

But I STILL don't know what YOU meant by your use of that, so, now that we're on kindof friendly terms, would you mind explaining? Thanks.

[freekitty]

You are welcome. I am not a critic, nor am I judging. I am merely observing. I am also sorry you think I am playing some kind of angle(sincerity card). That is not true.

When I said "trolling"; I meant are you a liberal lurking on this site? Have you ever heard of disturb and motivate? That is what I was doing. Oops, I am giving away a secret? Don't tell anyone. Ha. Ha. Although the word provative has a greater appeal to me. Yes, I like that word. Atleast, it got us communicating.

[freekitty]

Sorry for not spelling provocative correctly. My mistake.

[montag813]

AHHH Clint....why have you done this to us? We love Clint movies but won't support American traitors.

Hey, gove Clint SOME credit here. The studio wanted to cut costs by filming "Mystic River" in Canada. Clint demanded it be shot in the United States. He wants all his films shot here from now on, he said, to give the jobs and money to our economy. Bless him for that at least.

[John Robertson]

THAT kind of trolling! Okay, now I get it. With the other guy doing the sexual aspersion thing, and trolling having yet another meaning, I presumed that's what you were going for. (Take a look at some of the things sasafras said on this thread, to me and another Freeper, and you'll see why I was...of a certain mind.)

As far as "playing the sincerity card"--just an expression, as in race card, age card, gender card, etc. In your case, I meant leading with it--as in, leading your argument. It had no special meaning, and was not meant to insult or provoke.

Now that we have cleared up a few things, let us clear up the biggest: I am not a liberal lurker. NOT. No way. Word of honor bet the house not. As I'm sure you're aware, even like-minded people can disagree on things. Is there a way to check a member's comments on FR? If there is, and someone wanted to go back and read through mine, it would be instantly evident on what side of the aisle my politics reside.

My original contention that I was going to see this movie, in spite of someone's call for a boycott (some boycott! you should see all the Freepers who rarely or NEVER go to the movies...yeah, that boycott's really gonna hurt). After that, it was about 30 percent support, 70 percent attack.

And the argument kept shifting...patriotism, who's a traitor, etc. If you read back through all the posts, you'll see how it all degenerated. But then, I wouldn't wish all that reading on anyone.

Have a nice weekend. I feel we're ending on a friendly note, so we're both winners. Thanks.

[freekitty]

You are welcome and sometimes the lively debates can get emotional. You have a good weekend too.

[Toespi]

You are correct when you say that a movie doesn't exist that doesn't have a liberal principal in it. Before I took my grandson to see NEMO I checked and there was Ellen DeGeneres. Hollywood is controlled by just a few high-powered people who are anti-American, way left, rabid liberals. Their underlings are desperate to get scripts and invitations to parties. Sean Penn had pretty well flamed out until he started spewing liberal drivel. They know who and what butters their bread. For all we know many of these people could be conservatives and going public would be the end of their career. Creating a movie with Penn and Sarandon in it is a statement from the top, "Good boys," you are being rewarded.

[Let's Roll]

Another movie that has people talking boycott is "Runaway Jury".

The Grisham book was about a lawsuit brought against a tobacco company. Naturally, Hollyweird changed tobacco company to a gun manufacturer for the movie resulting in more than 2 hours of lecturing on the evils on gun ownership. I also hear it's boring.

Callers to Michael Medved yesterday pointed out that the trailers carefully omit mention of the attack on the 2nd Amendment and that they never would have wasted their $10 on the movie if they had known.

[John Robertson]

And yet...I am told that Sean Penn is absolutely brilliant, in his role. I'll find out soon enough, as I'm going to see it, probably this weekend. It's about the lingering effects of an evil act...a conservative value if ever there was one.

[ShadowDancer]

I agree. I rarely ever get to the movies but this is one I want to see.

[proud American in Canada]

"Well, "patriotism" is an emotion, really, so you can filter all kinds of ideology through it. That's why you always hear people from both sides of the spectrum screaming, Don't you dare question my patriotism!

But I like a conservative's patriotism better. Not only is it one of our emotions...it's leavened with commonsense, intelligence, LOGIC, etc."

Very well said!