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This Isn’t Vietnam
Fort Worth Business Press ^ | September 17, 2003 | Bill Thompson

Posted on 09/20/2003 9:13:01 AM PDT by Ex-Dem

If the world’s greatest newspaper says it, well, by all means, it must be true: “Across the U.S., Concern Grows About the Course of the War in Iraq.”

The New York Times, of course, would never dream of publishing fiction, or of distorting reality to advance the paper’s political agenda, So we will take the Times headline at face value and accept the premise that Americans are concerned about their country’s role in postwar Iraq.

They have a right to be concerned. More U.S. soldiers have died since the end of formal combat operations than were killed in the actual war that drove Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein out of power and into hiding. And there’s more: President Bush wants $87 billion to bankroll the rebuilding of Iraq and pay for ongoing military operations.

What started out as a barely-break-a-sweat walkover by U.S. troops has turned into a messy guerilla conflict pitting our soldiers against not only homegrown Iraqi terrorists but also interlopers from neighboring outposts. There is every reason to believe that it will get worse before it gets better.

Yes, the American people are concerned. But that doesn’t mean we want to bail out. It doesn’t mean we want to throw in the towel on an undertaking that figures to make the world a safer place, if only we are willing to see it through.

The Times went out and interviewed some people who might be described — by a liberal East Coast newspaper, at least — as “just plain folks.” Not surprisingly, the interviews produced several comments along the lines of this one by a resident of Illinois: “I think it’s going to go on forever. The U.S. opened a can of worms that should have never been opened in the first place.”

A woman from Nebraska called the conflict in Iraq “a real big waste of money.”

And a former Marine who told The Times he served in Vietnam predicted a quagmire in Iraq just like the one that brought the U.S. to its knees in Southeast Asia in the 1960s and ’70s.

“It’s a disaster,” said the California resident. “It will get worse and worse and we will leave the same way we left Vietnam: with our tail between our legs.”

Lots of anti-war types, Democratic presidential candidates and run-of-the-mill Bush-haters have been embracing the Iraq-Vietnam analogy, though the conflicts have little in common except the involvement of American soldiers.

A more relevant comparison would be Somalia, where U.S. troops attempted to engage in “nation-building” while surrounded by freelance enemies who wanted no part of nation-building.

In South Vietnam, the U.S. was trying to prevent a country from being taken over by invading forces. In Iraq, the country has already been taken over — by us. The question is: Now that we’ve taken it over, what the heck are we gonna do with it?

The U.S. has vital interests in Iraq that we never had in Somalia — or in Vietnam, for that matter. The Middle East is the boiling cauldron of global turmoil that Southeast Asia may have seemed to be 40 years ago, but really wasn’t. If ever there could be a place in the world other than our homeland where Americans can say that our survival is at stake, the Middle East is that place.

It’s why the Iraq war was worth pursuing. It’s why the U.S.-hating Saddam Hussein posed a constant threat that had to be confronted. The Middle East is the breeding ground and hiding place for the religious fanatics and political malcontents whose reason for living is to kill Americans.

Bush and his advisers are being criticized and ridiculed for “inadvertently” fueling terrorism in Iraq. But inadvertent or not, the U.S. has accomplished a useful goal: By conquering and liberating Iraq, Bush has effectively made that country the epicenter of the war against terrorism. Terrorists from throughout the region have migrated to Iraq to join the guerilla campaign against the hated Americans and their coalition partners.

Think about it, folks. Every terrorist who is fighting American soldiers in Iraq is a terrorist who is not attacking civilians in America. We can’t keep them all busy in Baghdad, but every little bit helps.

That’s the short term. The long-term value of our involvement in Iraq is the opportunity to establish a free and democratic nation in the heart of one of the most anti-democratic chunks of real estate since the Iron Curtain cast its tyrannical shadow over Eastern Europe. If democracy begins to catch on in the Middle East, the terrorists who breed and thrive there might suddenly find themselves homeless.

Maybe the task will prove too difficult, too expensive, too dangerous. Maybe, in the end, we’ll decide to give up and come home. But now? Just a few months into the effort?

I’ll buy the premise that Americans are concerned about what’s happening in Iraq. I absolutely refuse to believe that citizens of the greatest nation on earth — citizens of the nation that won two world wars — are ready to abandon a quest that has barely begun.


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: democrats; iraq; mediabias; nyt; quagmire; quagmirealert; vietnam

1 posted on 09/20/2003 9:13:02 AM PDT by Ex-Dem
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To: Ex-Dem
Pat Buchanan pointed out that we lost 150 boys a week for about 9 years on average. Iraq is not even comparable.
2 posted on 09/20/2003 9:22:48 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
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To: Ex-Dem
For all those concerned that more have died since the end of the major combat operations than during the "war" I suppose we could go back and try again for a higher death count....Of course it would be impossible to get the kind of numbers the left predicted.
3 posted on 09/20/2003 9:23:19 AM PDT by woofie
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To: woofie
That rising star of the Dimokratik Party, Weasley Klark, predicted 3,000 American troops would fall in the storming of Baghdad...he made this prediction just about a week before the statue of Saddam was pulled down on TV.
4 posted on 09/20/2003 9:40:14 AM PDT by jwfiv
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To: Ex-Dem
A few months does not equal a quagmire. A quagmire is all the buloney the RATS keeps dumping on the US.
5 posted on 09/20/2003 9:46:44 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: Ex-Dem
The Quagmire that was Vietnam was caused by politicians. Specifically, politicians from the Democrat party. Their policy was a failed policy from the beginning to the end. In the end they cut-and-ran.

If Iraq becomes a "quagmire" it will be because of politicians of the Democrat party. If the Democrat party was in charge of operations, or if they come back into power in the Executive branch, they will once again manifest a policy which will fail. And in the end they will cut-and-run. You can count on it.

It is what they do!
6 posted on 09/20/2003 10:44:57 AM PDT by zchip
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To: Ex-Dem
In 1965, the first combat troops arrived in Vietnam.
By the end of 1965, there were 180,000 troops in-country and 1700+ had died.

Neither the number of troops or number died in Iraq will reach those figures by the end of 2003.
7 posted on 09/20/2003 10:55:13 AM PDT by stylin19a (is it vietnam yet ?)
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To: Ex-Dem
That’s the short term. The long-term value of our involvement in Iraq is the opportunity to establish a free and democratic nation in the heart of one of the most anti-democratic chunks of real estate since the Iron Curtain cast its tyrannical shadow over Eastern Europe. If democracy begins to catch on in the Middle East, the terrorists who breed and thrive there might suddenly find themselves homeless.

This is the key point! It's why we need to stay in Iraq and make it work as a democracy.

8 posted on 09/20/2003 7:18:54 PM PDT by WOSG (Dont put Cali on CRUZ CONTROL.)
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To: zchip
Also, we didnt 'lose' Vietnam on the field of battle. We abandoned Vietnam after our enemies broke a peace treaty.

After Nixon started bombing the North seriously in 1972 (something that should have been done in 1965), they came to the table and a Peace Treaty was signed in 1973. After that, Watergate, and Nixon resigned. Then a huge Democrat victory in nov 1974 that left McGovern Democrats running the Congress and the country.

Within 5 months of the Democrat victory, the North Vietnamese openly broke the peace treaty and invaded the south. US McGovern Democrats refused to lift a finger, refused to send in American bombers to at least slow down the North Vietnamese. We could have destroyed their concentrated armored forced. The US did nothing. Congress had passed bills fobidding using DoD money to support or aid the South Vietnamese. On their own, South Vietnam was no match for the wellarmed Soviet Supplied North. So they took over south vietnam within 40 days.

Congressional McGovern Democrats willingly let the Communist takeover of South Vietnam happen.


9 posted on 09/20/2003 7:27:58 PM PDT by WOSG (Dont put Cali on CRUZ CONTROL.)
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To: Ex-Dem
Most of our troops who died after major military operations were declared over by Bush were killed by friendly fire, accidents, and medical-related causes. Though any U.S. military death is still one too many, it doesn't rise to the "high combat deaths" levels of what Blather and Co. keep shouting.
10 posted on 09/20/2003 7:32:22 PM PDT by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: zchip
I disagree. The combat policies enacted by the armed forces, specifically Gen. Westmoreland, were terribly unsuitable for engaging a guerilla war in a foriegn country. His decision to keep the American and South Vietnamese fighting forces separate for one. The "Search and Destroy" policies for another.
11 posted on 09/21/2003 5:34:39 AM PDT by KantianBurke (The Federal govt should be protecting us from terrorists, not handing out goodies)
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To: KantianBurke
The combat policies enacted by the armed forces, specifically Gen. Westmoreland, were terribly unsuitable for engaging a guerilla war in a foriegn country.

I take it that you disagree with my statement that politicians were responsible for the "Vietnam Quagmire." You should realize that General Westmoreland was very much in the political camp of the politicians running the show. Specifically Robert McNamara was the guy responsible for so much of the idiocy that went on there.

You should read McNamara's book In Retrospect. You will see the recurrent theme in his book that said, in order to end the war the US Military had to convince the VC and the NVA that "victory was impossible."

Any General who did not go along with this stupid idea would have been replaced - including Westmoreland. I would like to believe that he went along with it because he valued his career. But I really don't know. Maybe he simply believed that the strategy would win the war. He was wrong and the Johnson Administration was wrong in just about everything they did.

But make no mistake about it. Democrat Politics were responsible for the Vietnam "Quagmire."

12 posted on 09/21/2003 8:24:17 PM PDT by zchip
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