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54: No on 54 Union Thugs Assault Pro-54 Females at Davis/Gore Rally, Los Angeles
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| 09-19-03
| Justin Jones
Posted on 09/19/2003 7:50:10 PM PDT by Alia
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To: BudgieRamone
Thank you. Your knowledge is helpful!
Anyway, finding the source of a problem--especially union can be as simple as finding their website (some maintain websites with daily updates of problems/concerns) Some unions have union halls and the address is prominently posted on their websites ;-) Also networking with anti union "union workers" can help. I don't know how it is there, but here if you can find a laid off aircraft worker you have found an anti union ally.
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posted on
09/20/2003 9:26:24 AM PDT
by
Alia
(California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
To: dyed_in_the_wool
geeyeesh!
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posted on
09/20/2003 10:05:28 AM PDT
by
King Prout
(people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
To: paul51
Sprinkle a few well trained martial artists into the crowd.
To: em2vn; Alia; Physicist
Certainly not union members. I think you have posed a simple but excellent question. Who does gain from something so out in the open?
Never underestimate the power of intimidation. And the union thugs usually get away with it, even with cameras rolling. Just ask Don and Teri Adams.
To: CounterCounterCulture
Why would they usually get away with it?
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posted on
09/20/2003 10:23:11 AM PDT
by
em2vn
To: em2vn
Because they are well connected with a sympathetic media and the courts (especially in Philly where the Adams case was). They're tougher to beat than the mob.
To: em2vn
Why would they usually get away with it? It depends on the location. In a city with a Democrat Mayor, Democrat-appointed police chief, Democrat-elected District Attorney, yes, they are likely to get away with it, considering how much the Democrat machine needs the unions.
This is why things like these happen in Democrat strongholds, rather than in Republican suburbs
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posted on
09/20/2003 10:31:46 AM PDT
by
SauronOfMordor
(Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === (Finally employed again! Whoopie))
To: Alia
Don't believe me? I believe you. It's now being exposed for what it is.
We build alot of parts for the C-17 here in St. Louis. Then of course the plane itself is put together in Long Beach. Dealing with them has never been easy. I wish Boeing would move all that work here to the Mid-West.
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posted on
09/20/2003 10:33:19 AM PDT
by
Missouri
To: Alia
I'll be sure to ping you if I find something. You do the same, okay?
To: SauronOfMordor
Some of the 'GET OUT OF CHENEY'S HOUSE' demonstrations got violent.
Doubt there has ever been a documented case of a freeper ever disrespecting the rights of other demonstrators.
Further, when the Million Moron Moms were in D.C. they were screaming at the gun rights crowd that they hoped they and their children were murdered by guns.
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posted on
09/20/2003 11:10:01 AM PDT
by
OldFriend
(DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
To: SauronOfMordor
Very good SoM. I didn't want to bring it up because anyone armed in Ca. is considered a dangerous maniac but since you mentioned it, I already have a 21 incher. Incidentally, Cheaper than Dirt is one of my favorites. This very moment I am awaiting a new .357 Sig barrel for one of my Sigs from them!
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posted on
09/20/2003 12:04:25 PM PDT
by
paul51
To: Alia; paul51
Nonetheless, I think we should all take a page out of various group's "defend yourself from an attacker" websites: Pepperspray, long fingernails, martial arts, walking canes. We know what these goons are doing; along with "evidence" gathering methods -- protection is key. Bringing weapons or doing anything illegal will only bias the cops against you. The proper way to handle a situation like that is to get it on videotape, and hold your hands in front of you, palms out, with the underside of your forearm facing the attacker. Cringe and let them hit you. Do not resist. It will be clear to witnesses what happened, and you will have medical evidence that you were not the aggressor (wounds on the underside of the forearm are consistent with someone cringing in a defensive position, not attacking). Obviously, this advice only applies if you think your life is in no danger. This is a political means of handling an attack--if the attackers are threatening your life, you should not hesitate to do whatever you can to stop them. But if you are in a public place, at a political event, handling the stituation in a political manner would be best.
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posted on
09/20/2003 1:28:22 PM PDT
by
xm177e2
(Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
To: xm177e2
The proper way to handle a situation like that is to get it on videotape, and hold your hands in front of you, palms out, with the underside of your forearm facing the attacker. Cringe and let them hit you. Do not resist. 'Fraid not. Would you like me to bend over while I'm at it? If this is your approach, you might as well stay home with the shutters drawn and let someone else take care of the dirty work.
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posted on
09/20/2003 1:46:20 PM PDT
by
paul51
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To: Alia
and to think calif use to be a "right to work" state now it's an "at will" and public employees union state.
To: Sabertooth
I saw the sam clip on nbc4 last nite.
To: Regulator
Maybe it's time for the United States Attorney for Los Angeles to get off his dead ass and conduct a real civil rights investigation.
You are, of course, correct. I'm afraid it's open season on conservatives.
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posted on
09/20/2003 2:19:22 PM PDT
by
x1stcav
( HOOAHH!)
To: xm177e2
Bringing weapons or doing anything illegal will only bias the cops against you. The proper way to handle a situation like that is to get it on videotape, and hold your hands in front of you, palms out, with the underside of your forearm facing the attacker. Cringe and let them hit you. Do not resist. It will be clear to witnesses what happened, and you will have medical evidence that you were not the aggressor (wounds on the underside of the forearm are consistent with someone cringing in a defensive position, not attacking). It sure did Don Adams a lot of good, didn't it?
The thugs are predators. One fundamental fact about a predator is that it tends to attack prey that poses no risk, and avoid prey that may kill the predator. The away to avoid attack is the make the predator think that he puts himself at risk by attacking you.
At the Philly anti-Gore rally, my daughter had insisted on coming along. Perhaps without her there, I might have taken your approach. With her there, my attitude was that any violent threat would be responded to with lethal force.
I will not be anyone's punching bag, regardless of the PR aspects. If I show up, I will defend myself from violence using whatever means necessary. If that will have excessive adverse PR consequences, then I won't show up.
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posted on
09/20/2003 2:42:04 PM PDT
by
SauronOfMordor
(Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === (Finally employed again! Whoopie))
To: Alia
More racism under the liberal guise of anti-racism.
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posted on
09/20/2003 2:49:05 PM PDT
by
pke
To: Regulator
Maybe it's time for the United States Attorney for Los Angeles to get off his dead ass and conduct a real civil rights investigation. The First Amendment rights of these kids were brutally violated - so where's the same government that's currently outraged by the mere possibility that some people won't punch their voting cards all the way through? Let me put this as clearly as possible. I've got entire files now devoted to State and sundry AGs, Trustees, City Officials, Human Rights, Commissions, every "imaginable" group posting on HOW ANTI-54 THEY ARE.
Let us pause, and consider CA's SAG -- Bill Lockyer ("lock ya in a jail cell with...X" in re Enron). Bill Lockyer made it very clear after passage of 209 -- he'd do NOTHING to assist or enforce 209. If he didn't work against the law of 209 -- outside of Willie Brown, I'm not sure what other official could have done LESS to enforce a law in our State's Constitution. And he is, anti-54.
Therefore, bluntly put: These "officials" have made their position STATED up front (on 54). Therefore, via "lib dem" script behavior - if you buck city hall's stated position - You are ON your own -- it's your Owwwwwn problem.
These "officials" are NOT going to do anything to "investigate", IMHO, and IME.
It's Bull Connor behavior of old: "I toldya up front you can't drink out of that water fountain, so if you do, we gonna get ya, boy"
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posted on
09/21/2003 1:15:33 AM PDT
by
Alia
(California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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