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Yes on Recall, Yes on Schwarzenegger
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| 9/18/03
| Xrlq
Posted on 09/18/2003 5:32:48 PM PDT by ParsifalCA
Yes on Recall, Yes on Schwarzenegger Tom, it's not your time, yet... [Xrlq] 09/18/03
The time has come to get behind Arnold Schwarzenegger. Tom McClintock is a rising star, and may one day be one of the finest governors California has ever had. For better or for worse, October 7, 2003 is not that day.
I have not reached this decision lightly. Going into the race, I've long sensed that McClintock's views are closer to mine on every issue except abortion. So if this were simply a vote on the issues, which candidate can be most like Xrlq (albeit less snarky), then voting for McClintock would be a no-brainer. However, this is not just an issue-correctness test; it is a question of (1) who has the best chance of beating the Twin Terminators and (2) who would make the better governor right now. I have to conclude that Arnold wins on both counts.
As to electability, I'm sure there are some Tombots out there who still think the latest L.A. Times poll means McClintock can win. It doesn't. Set aside, for the moment, the credibility problems Times polls have in general (have we already forgotten the last one?), and the fact that no other poll has produced comparable results. Even if we accepted this poll as the gospel truth, it still shows Tom coming in third, not first. The only thing it clearly shows is that McClintock has the potential to blow it for Schwarzenegger and help MEChA-Man get elected, potentially ending not one, but two political careers.
Of course, the true believers in the McClintock camp will reply "Oh, but Arnold's a liberal! A RINO! What good is having the R next to your name if he's not really one of us, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah?" Hogwash. Arnold may not be a hard-core conservative, but contrary to his detractors' rhetoric, he is emphatically not a liberal or a RINO, either. This is a point that often gets lost in the "Tom can't win - Yes he can - Cannot! - Can too! - Cannot! - Can too!" debate. Here are some important differences between Arnold and the Twin Terminators that should not be forgotten:
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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: butamante; graydavis; mcclintock; recall; schwarzenegger
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To: thoughtomator
My goodness, so judgemental! When were you last optimistic?
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posted on
09/18/2003 7:04:58 PM PDT
by
68 grunt
(3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
To: Princeliberty
Votes are being received at record rates. The election is underway. Vote confidently in a man for all the people and vote Schwarzenegger.
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posted on
09/18/2003 7:09:36 PM PDT
by
68 grunt
(3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
To: Princeliberty
The only reason no other polls has shown Tom
at 18 yet is the Times poll was the most recent poll.
Perhaps.
Or it could be that FRAUD thing. :o)
See also:
Los Angeles Times Caught Faking Its Pro-Democrat 'Poll'
NewsMax.com ^ | 9/17/03 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
Posted on 09/17/2003 9:38 AM PDT by kattracks
The pro-Democrat Los Angeles Times has once again been busted for faking a "poll," this time by stacking it with blacks.
"Why did the size of the unreported racial/ethnic subgroups in the latest Times Poll amount to 18%, when according to its own exit poll, blacks and Asian voters combined comprised just 10% of all voters in the last general election?" the rival Field Poll wonders.
Slate.com notes that Field makes "a powerful case" for the Times' having "wildly oversampled non-white non-Latinos" and observes, "The Times hides this flaw by failing to even report the black and Asian subgroups separately."
The excessively large number of black surveyed accounts for the bias, Field concludes, because Orientals "historically tend to be more divided in their voting preferences on partisan matters."
CLICK HERE for the rest of that thread
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posted on
09/18/2003 7:10:24 PM PDT
by
RonDog
To: ParsifalCA
I thought this was a GREAT article, and thank you for posting it!
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posted on
09/18/2003 7:10:37 PM PDT
by
alwaysconservative
(MEChA-MEChA Man, Cruz wants to be a MEChA man!)
To: ParsifalCA
Sorry, but Arnold IS a RINO.
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posted on
09/18/2003 7:17:49 PM PDT
by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: Cicero
Please don't start with the insults.
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posted on
09/18/2003 7:54:11 PM PDT
by
68 grunt
(3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
To: RonDog
If you think Tom can persuade Justices Kennedy and O'Connor to overturn Roe v. Wade, and can then persuade the California legislature to exercise its new-found power to prohibit first trimester abortions, then Tom McClintock is definitely your man. Maybe he cannot pursuade the justices, but he would have vetoed the bill to "protect the sancity of a woman's right to choose" in the State of CA signed by Davis.
To: South40
McClintock has the potential to blow it for Schwarzenegger and help MEChA-Man get elected
That is ridiculous. There is an even bigger schism in the Democratic camp between Davis and Busta. Davis will be re-elected if McClintock doesn't win. And maybe that's not such a bad idea. Let the Dems take the fall, not a phony Republican who doesn't stand a chance of straightening things out in time for the '06 elections.
To: thoughtomator
Yes. I agree and I can hear it now. Get behind Arnold because he can win. Well, if some people would get behind McClintock, he might be able to win too.
Geez, what happened to the best person for the job; not just because he can win.
To: 68 grunt
I was optimistic for California between announcement of the recall and the first time I heard someone call on McClintock to drop out for the "good of the party".
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posted on
09/18/2003 9:34:43 PM PDT
by
thoughtomator
(It's time for Arnold supporters to go to a LIBERAL and SOCIALIST website - where they belong!)
To: thoughtomator
I have not urged McC to drop out for the good of the party. Assuredly, McC is alienating groups, he has alienated me, and he is now hurting the party, I have been consistent in my support of Schwarzenegger, much of which is based on nothing but my optimism and knowing that God's Will will indeed be done. This could be the wave that we need, and McC don't surf, Arnie does.
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posted on
09/18/2003 9:51:08 PM PDT
by
68 grunt
(3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
To: 68 grunt
Surfing is an important quality in a governor? Are you sure you've thought this through?
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posted on
09/18/2003 9:54:32 PM PDT
by
thoughtomator
(It's time for Arnold supporters to go to a LIBERAL and SOCIALIST website - where they belong!)
To: ParsifalCA
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To: dalebert
I don't think Tom can make it. Arnold could at least get a republican toe hold in Kali. Hey! I think I heard that about the current mayor of NYC.Actually, you heard it about the prior mayor of NYC, who took a city almost as screwed up as San Francisco and Washington DC combined (thanks to years of RAT corruption) and almost instantly turned it into the safest big city in America.
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posted on
09/18/2003 10:08:17 PM PDT
by
Timesink
To: freekitty
Yes. I agree and I can hear it now. Get behind Arnold because he can win. Well, if some people would get behind McClintock, he might be able to win too.Framing the argument like makes it sound like little more than political blackmail.
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posted on
09/18/2003 10:14:46 PM PDT
by
Timesink
To: RonDog
Again I do they that stack their polls with additional
liberals that means Cruz would be overrated and
McClintock underrated.
To: thoughtomator
Sorry - directed at someone with a sense of humor. My mistake.
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posted on
09/18/2003 10:51:14 PM PDT
by
68 grunt
(3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
To: Timesink
"Well, if some people would get behind McClintock, he might be able to win too."
No democraps will get behind McC, democraps are the majority, bustamecha wins, we suffer bad for 30 years.
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posted on
09/18/2003 10:53:48 PM PDT
by
68 grunt
(3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
To: 68 grunt
I have a great sense of humor! The whole (R)nold argument is hilarious... or would be, were it not so pathetic and sad. Yet the very depravity that causes the (R)nold movement to discard all it claims to value causes conservatives to recoil in shock and horror.
But yes, I am amused at how persistent you are pushing a candidate whose best argument is "I'm cool, dude, and my opponents are not!"
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posted on
09/18/2003 10:55:27 PM PDT
by
thoughtomator
(It's time for Arnold supporters to go to a LIBERAL and SOCIALIST website - where they belong!)
To: ParsifalCA
Yes on Recall, Yes on Schwarzenegger
... yes on Amnesty for Illegal Aliens.
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posted on
09/18/2003 10:55:45 PM PDT
by
Sabertooth
(No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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