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City opposes immigration enforcement [Los Angeles]
Los Angeles Daily News | 09-18-2003 | Rick Orlov

Posted on 09/18/2003 6:30:34 AM PDT by boris

http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~20954~1638991,00.html

City opposes immigration enforcement

By Rick Orlov
Staff Writer

Citing the threat to local control, the Los Angeles City Council came out Tuesday against a proposed federal law that would require police to enforce immigration laws.

The 13-0 council vote came at the request of Councilman Dennis Zine, who is scheduled to testify today in Washington, D.C., against HR2671, the Clear Law Enforcement for Criminal Alien Removal Act.

Under the measure, cities could lose federal grants if their police departments fail to enforce immigration laws.

Zine, who is one of the council's more conservative members and was a police officer for 33 years, said the measure represents a threat to the city.

"I don't think they are looking at the impact of this," Zine said of the measure introduced by Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga. "This doesn't do much for our relationship with the diverse people we have in Los Angeles."

"It will turn our local law enforcement officers into immigration officers," he said. "What will that do to our efforts on community policing?"

However, Norwood spokesman Duke Hipp said the congressman believes local law enforcement is needed to help beef up the work of federal immigration authorities.

"Our immigration system is broken and something needs to be done," Hipp said.

"We aren't talking about people who run a red light. We are talking about murderers, rapists and people who have been doing hard time," he said. "Instead of being deported, they are on the streets of our city."

The city's Special Order 40, adopted under former Los Angeles police Chief Daryl F. Gates, has been controversial since it took effect in 1979. It prevents police from asking the immigration status of crime victims or anyone reporting criminal activity. Only after a person is arrested and charged with a crime is his citizenship questioned.

Dan Stein of the Federation for American Immigrant Reform said Special Order 40 and similar regulations in other cities obstruct federal law.

"These kind(s) of noncooperation standards should be illegal," Stein said. "It's an outrageous position by a city. If they don't want to be part of the federal union, they ought to start a nullification effort.

"The real issue is, these people shouldn't be here. We have a way for people to (emigrate) to the country."

City Council members, however, said neither Norwood nor FAIR understood the city's problems.

"This isn't about Special Order 40," said Councilman Greig Smith, another conservative member and LAPD reserve officer. "This is about local control. The federal government has no business telling us how we should police our city."

Councilman Ed Reyes said the federal proposal could create worse problems in the city.

"Don't think that just because you live in a different part of the city ... you won't be affected," said Reyes, who represents a Westlake-Lincoln Heights district.

"There will be a ripple effect," he said. "The bottom line is we have people, families, who are being abused by their landlords, by gang members, by vultures taking advantage of them. They are told that if they complain, they will be deported." "We have a whole subculture out there who are abusing immigrants who work hard and are paying their taxes," Reyes said.

Councilman Tony Cardenas said he believed the federal measure could lead to chaos.

"This will create an atmosphere where people will live in fear, only to be victimized by people who want to take advantage of them," Cardenas said.

Rick Orlov, (213) 978-0390 rick.orlov@dailynews.com


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: illegalimmigration

1 posted on 09/18/2003 6:30:34 AM PDT by boris
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To: boris
which part of illegal do the LA lawmakers no understand again?

and this guy is former police? thank goodness he isn't on the force anymore..

people need to wake up and make tough choices, not everything in this world is fred rogers' neighborhood and people here illegal NEED TO BE REMOVED.

2 posted on 09/18/2003 6:33:15 AM PDT by pdjplano
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To: boris
"Councilman Tony Cardenas said he believed the federal measure could lead to chaos.
"This will create an atmosphere where people will live in fear, only to be victimized by people who want to take advantage of them," Cardenas said."

Then either keep your a@@ south of the border or come here legally

3 posted on 09/18/2003 6:40:40 AM PDT by sticker
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To: boris
"This is about local control. The federal government has no business telling us how we should police our city."

This isn't just about illegal Mexicans. When terrorists start exploding bombs in the middle of LA who will this guy be blaming for not stopping them from coming into the city?
4 posted on 09/18/2003 6:45:43 AM PDT by Noachian (Liberalism belongs to the Fool, the Fraud, and the Vacuous.)
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To: HiJinx; gubamyster
ping
5 posted on 09/18/2003 7:11:17 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: boris
Osama will be most pleased with the Los Angeles City Council vote. L.A. politicans officially welcomed terrorists to come to their city.
6 posted on 09/18/2003 7:15:20 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: boris
"What will that do to our efforts on community policing?"

As a retired cop, he should know better than anyone, that "community policing" is an oxymoron, designed merely for PR purposes.

With that said, there will be problems with crime victims not reporting crime, but something's got to give, and we can't suspend our sovereignty on behalf of people whose presence here is itself a crime. That would be a case of saying, "Well, we've been lax so long, that we're obliged to give up on law enforcement, due to problems caused by our previous laxity."

7 posted on 09/18/2003 7:20:09 AM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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8 posted on 09/18/2003 7:54:56 AM PDT by HiJinx (The Right person, in the Right place, at the Right time...)
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To: Noachian
Who will he blame? Like all leftists their simple primitive world begins with the big bad white Anglo hetereo man and ends with the same (think circular logic).
9 posted on 09/18/2003 7:59:22 AM PDT by junta (Xenophobia a perfectly reasonable response to the feckless stupidity of globalism.)
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To: boris
"I don't think they are looking at the impact of this," Zine said of the measure introduced by Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga. "This doesn't do much for our relationship with the diverse people we have in Los Angeles."

Since when does diversity include law breaking illegals?

Bank robbers would be a "diverse" group of people too?

10 posted on 09/18/2003 8:50:24 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: HiJinx
Thanks for the ping. I have been away from my computer and am now having trouble posting.
11 posted on 09/18/2003 9:14:40 AM PDT by texastoo
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To: HiJinx
Another slap in the face to California citizens. Gray Davis has on his desk the bill to force us to send illegal aliens to college and pay for it! What's next?
12 posted on 09/18/2003 10:23:04 AM PDT by janetgreen
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To: boris
City Council members, however, said neither Norwood nor FAIR understood the city's problems.

The way I see it, alot of LA's problems HAVE been brought on by NOT deporting illegal aliens.

13 posted on 09/18/2003 2:40:44 PM PDT by Missouri
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