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It is assinine to blame one of the few conservatives for the liberal policies that California currently suffers.

Why? I expect liberals to espouse liberal policies. That's what liberals do. However, I expect conservatives to have at least a modicum of success in effectively combating them. And in California, Tom McClintock has been about as effective as prescribing two aspirin to treat a case of decapitation.

It is retarded to then choose a liberal promising more liberal policies for California when you have the choice of a conservative.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is not a liberal. And, the only "retard" here is the one who advocates sending an 8 year old boy with a teaspoon to empty the Pacific Ocean. He might eventually get it done, but he'd better pack a lunch.

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Thank you for FINALLY at least trying to answer one of my questions (content-free that the answers are). Has McClintock ever had to meet a payroll?

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Has McClintock ever successfully operated his own business?

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Has McClintock had ANY success of any kind in the private sector? Has he ever even tried?

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Has McClintock ever made 30 million dollars a shot producing a product that people actually want to consume?

Guess what...Schwarzenegger's name isn't on any of them.

Well duhhhh. He hasn't been elected to any public office yet. McClintock has had 25 years of practice in attempting to be elected to public office; his record is spotty at best at succeeding in it.

You've made a superficial claim that Schwarzenegger is not Bloomberg, Snowe, or Jeffords.

The claim seems pretty substantial to me. Unless there is some sort of Star Trek alien-type technology involved here, Schwarzenegger has NEVER been any of those people.

He's a liberal Republican, and so are they.

Schwarzenegger is not a liberal.

Schwarzenegger never supported this recall when conservatives began it, and made it happen.

Aha - you've just displayed one of the behaviors of the typical liberal - giving professional politicians the credit for something that the people did. The voters of the state of California are the ones who made the recall happen, not the professional politicians. How does it feel to have something in common with Teddy Kennedy?

Can you prove that Schwarzenegger's name does not appear on at least one of the petitions authorizing it?

He's simply hi-jacked it at the endgame and then only because his good friend...and liberal Republican...Riordan...couldn't do it with any credibility.

I could make the same case that McClintock "hi-jacked" the process as well, insinuating himself into the process and taking common cause with Cruz Bustamante against Arnold Schwarzenegger.

When will you ever get it - Tom McClintock's presence in this race is a distraction and is harmful to Republican interests in California politics. He cannot win.

If you want to run against Bustamante, go ahead,

Arnold Schwarzenegger IS running against Bustamante. Tom McClintock is HELPING him by signing a paper with Bustamante's signature already on it threatening to withdraw from the next debate unless the format is changed. Brothers in arms, right?

"Why? I expect liberals to espouse liberal policies. That's what liberals do. "

And so does arnold.

"However, I expect conservatives to have at least a modicum of success in effectively combating them. And in California, Tom McClintock has been about as effective as prescribing two aspirin to treat a case of decapitation"

And choosing Arnold is an attempt to treat that same case of decapitation with amputation.

"Arnold Schwarzenegger is not a liberal. "

You haven't shown this. The best claim that can be made is that Arnold isn't as liberal as Davis or Bustamante.

"Has McClintock...?"

McClintock is more qualified for the governorship than arnold on all counts. This series of questions becomes a tanget to the questions at hand and adds nothing to the debate.

"The voters of the state of California are the ones who made the recall happen, not the professional politicians."

The recall happened because conservatives pushed for the recall by initiating the petition drive.

The recall happened because many conservatives signed those petitions early in the recall petition drive.

The recall happened because many conservatives volunteered to take those petitions throughout California.

The recall happened because many conservatives paid their own money to support the recall petition.

Riordan came out against the recall publically, and Arnold was unable to provide support when questioned. They both may very well have signed a petition in favor of the recall after conservatives drew support for the recall petition in such numbers that the recall election was inevitable. It really doesn't matter, they didn't support the recall petition until conservatives made it happen.

"I could make the same case that McClintock "hi-jacked" the process as well..."

Go ahead and make the case, it's on par with whacko conspiracies such as the claim that the astronauts never landed on the moon. McClintock has been part of the recall along with Issa since it was in it's earliest stages.

"When will you ever get it - Tom McClintock's presence in this race is a distraction and is harmful to Republican interests in California politics. He cannot win. "

It is Arnold who is the distraction and harmful to Republican interests. First, he's a late-comer to an event that would never have happened without conservatives. Second, he doesn't serve Republican interests. There is absolutely no evidence that McClintock cannot win, but there is ample evidence that California Republicans prefer liberals whether those liberals are Democrat or Republican.

Compromising by voting for Republican liberals by conservative voters is one of California's most significant problems.

Arnold supporters are campaigning against McClintock. It's a traditional battle between liberals and compromised conservatives on Arnold's side and conservatives on McClintock's side.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about the debate. If you're going to debate a liberal, you first have to agree to debate. Brother's in arms, eh? The argument is hopelessly without thought.

Besides, why would you care? Arnold won't debate anyone.

The reason is pretty obvious: He can't think on his feet. He doesn't know the political issues without coaching. He can't afford to make a stand that reveals specific policies.

Arnold is vulnerable in so many ways that he might be forced out of the race before March rolls around. While you seek to divorce conservatives from the rest of the Republican Party, we'll be here waiting for you when you realize you've been hornswaggled, and most of us won't even demand an apology.

"Conservative Republicans have spearheaded several successful ballot initiatives that dramatically reduced property taxes, banned affirmative action, dismantled bilingual education and prohibited homosexual marriages. They also won approval of a measure blocking public services for illegal immigrants, but that was overturned by a federal court."

http://www.republicansagainsttherecall.com/news-chicagotribune-082703.htm

"Schwarzenegger is not a liberal. "

That's definitely debateable. What isn't debateable is that he isn't a conservative.

LA Daily News ^ | August 13, 2003 - 8:37:28 PM PST | Lisa Friedman

In addition to Ted Kennedy, Schwarzenegger gave about $3,500 over the years to his wife's cousins, former Massachusetts congressman Joe Kennedy and Maryland Lt. Gov. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend; and $2,000 to his brother-in-law, Mark Shriver, who last year ran a losing congressional race.

Among Republicans, Schwarzenegger gave $1,000 to losing Senate candidate Bruce Herschensohn in 1992; $1,000 to former Gov. Pete Wilson; and $1,000 to also-ran Senate candidate Ed Zschau. The rest of his GOP giving went to either state or national party committees.

In addition, he gave Republican Richard Riordan $50,000 to help the former Los Angeles mayor in his run for governor last year.

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He donates to liberals.

Arnoldian Standards
By George Neumayr
Published 8/14/2003 12:16:00 AM

Liberals in the California media always counsel the Republican Party to run liberal Republicans like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Do Republicans think journalists offer this avuncular advice because they have the GOP's best interests at heart? Let's take a wild guess here and say that journalists don't stay up late at night fretting over the welfare of the Republican Party. Why then do they promote the Riordans and the Schwarzeneggers? Because they want the Republican Party to adopt the liberalism of their party.

Me-too Republicanism is music to the liberal media's ears. It means liberals get to exercise ideological control over both parties and shunt out of the mainstream debate all those "reactionary" Republicans who foil their agenda.

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He is enjoys the support of liberals.

The Greening of Arnie S.
By George Neumayr
Published 9/12/2003 12:04:00 AM

The more one examines the Schwarzenegger campaign, the more nakedly liberal it appears.

It appears that the circle of liberal advisers around Schwarzenegger is not contracting but growing wider by the day. Robert Kennedy Jr., a wild-eyed left-wing environmentalist, is "advising him on strategy," reported the Los Angeles Times this week in a piece entitled "Schwarzenegger is the GOP's Green Candidate." Even the Times can put two and two together, observing that "on a variety of environmental issues in California, Schwarzenegger's views are closer to those of liberal rivals" than to Tom McClintock's.

We knew Schwarzenegger recruited tax-hiking advisers. Now we know he has tree-hugging ones too. Both foreshadow an anti-business Schwarzenegger governorship. Before the country club elite bamboozle Republicans into crowning Schwarzenegger, the rank-and-file should ask themselves: Did we register with the Republican Party to spread Kennedy liberalism or stop it?

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He is appoints liberals to his campaign.

Is Arnold Schwarzenegger Really a Conservative?
by David T. Pyne
16 September 2003

The only Reaganite candidate in this race is conservative stalwart Tom McClintock.

What exactly does Schwarzenegger stand for? According to the candidate himself, he has declared that he is “very liberal” on social issues, which means that his stands on these issues are virtually identical to liberal Democrats like Governor Gray Davis and Lieutenant Governor Cruz Bustamante. He has come out in favor of homosexual civic unions and adoption rights, abortion on demand and a semi-automatic weapon ban--already on the books--that bans about 150 different kinds of guns. In addition, he is a champion of big government and has spoken of the need to bring more businesses to California in order to raise more tax revenue to provide for increased social spending like his half billion dollar Proposition 49 boondoggle that passed last year. He is completely unreliable on the issue of taxes and has refused to rule out increasing taxes on already overtaxed Californians. He has surrounded himself with Clinton-supporting liberals like Warren Buffet and Rob Lowe. Now we learn that Schwarzenegger has retained Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. as his main advisor on environmental issues. Some conservative.

What does Schwarzenegger think of the Republican Party? Most Republicans probably do not realize that during an interview published in the November 1999 issue of George magazine, Schwarzenegger stated, in reference to the vote by the GOP-controlled House of Representatives a year before to impeach his good friend, former President Bill Clinton, “that was another thing I will never forgive the Republican Party for (impeaching his good friend Bill Clinton) …I was ashamed to call myself a Republican.” If conservatives trick themselves into voting for him, they may well be ashamed of themselves if he ends up implementing his liberal stands on the issues which differ but little from Governor Davis’ own.

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He supports liberal positions.

Arnold Schwarzenegger IS a liberal.