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Bush Says No Evidence That Saddam Hussein Involved in Sept. 11 Attacks
AP ^ | 9/17/03 | Terence Hunt

Posted on 09/17/2003 2:32:44 PM PDT by Jean S

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush said Wednesday there was no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 - disputing an idea held by many Americans.

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein had al-Qaida ties," the president said. But he also said, "We have no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the Sept. 11" attacks.

The president's comment was in line with a statement Tuesday by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who said he not seen any evidence that Saddam was involved in the attacks.

Yet, a new poll found that nearly 70 percent of respondents believed the Iraqi leader probably was personally involved. Rumsfeld said, "I've not seen any indication that would lead me to believe that I could say that."

The administration has argued that Saddam's government had close links to al-Qaida, the terrorist network led by Osama bin Laden that masterminded the Sept. 11 attacks.

On Sunday, for example, Vice President Dick Cheney said that success in stabilizing and democratizing Iraq would strike a major blow at the "the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault for many years, but most especially on 9-11."

And Tuesday, in an interview on ABC's "Nightline," White House national security adviser Condoleezza Rice said that one of the reasons Bush went to war against Saddam was because he posed a threat in "a region from which the 9-11 threat emerged."

In an appearance on NBC's "Meet the Press," Cheney was asked whether he was surprised that more than two-thirds of Americans in a Washington Post poll would express a belief that Iraq was behind the attacks.

"No, I think it's not surprising that people make that connection," he replied.

Rice, asked about the same poll numbers, said, "We have never claimed that Saddam Hussein had either direction or control of 9-11."

AP-ES-09-17-03 1715EDT


TOPICS: Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaedaandiraq; iraq; saddam
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To: WL-law
So why would Bush state there was 'no' evidence, a la Janet Reno?

The administration is deliberately utilizing strategic ambiguity here, for a variety of reasons: some with validity, and some for purely personal reasons.

21 posted on 09/17/2003 4:28:07 PM PDT by jpl
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To: JeanS
"President Bush said Wednesday there was no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 - disputing an idea held by many Americans. "

Maybe he should tell that to Rumsfeld-Rice who keeps saying we are in Iraq because we don't want another 9/11 here.

22 posted on 09/17/2003 4:33:10 PM PDT by ex-snook (Americans needs PROTECTIONISM - military and economic.)
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To: ex-snook
How did you manage to miss this (Oh, did you not read the article and base your "comment" on the headline? Oops!)

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein had al-Qaida ties," the president said.

23 posted on 09/17/2003 4:36:43 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: JeanS
I never suspected they were buddies but more of a Six Degrees to Kevin Bacon thing that connects OBL to SH.

I don't recall Bush ever saying SH was involved with 9/11 but the media picked it up and it's now urban legend along with the quagmire hoopla.
24 posted on 09/17/2003 4:38:29 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: texasmountainman
Why is Bush saying this? What about Salman Pak?

Salman Pak is not evidence that Saddam had anything to do specifically with 9/11. Neither Bush nor Cheney nor Rice nor Rummy has said that Saddam was not connected with AQ. They've said that they have no hard evidence that Saddam was behind 9/11. This is nothing new; they've said this all along.

25 posted on 09/17/2003 4:50:04 PM PDT by alnick
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To: Sabertooth
Low IQ = inability to back up an argument. Lack of Courage = unwillingness to back up an argument. Both = GOP in 2003

Boy if they thought moral in the military was low, wait till this gets out to the troops who are sweating their butts of and burying their comrades every dang day and seeing more sent of to a hospital in Germany with no leg or arm or eye. You know what, we sure as heck didn't go to "Free the Iraqi People"! Heck what about doing the entire african and asian continents next. We went to wup butt on governments that support Islamic Terrorism, period. Why can't the Pres pronounce those few words? If I was a democrat I would be saying, "Well the president is confused mentally, first he says one thing, then he says another".
Hey Mr. Presidential advisor, if you can't tell Bush to say something intelligent, just shut the
up! Talk about undermining moral. Next thing this administration will say is that Saddam is bad just missunderstood and that there is room for him in the new Iraq.
Unf
believeable!
26 posted on 09/17/2003 4:56:16 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (from tomasUSMC FIGHT FOR THE LAND OF THE FREE AND HOME OF THE BRAVE)
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To: TomasUSMC
"There's no question that Saddam Hussein had al-Qaida ties," the president said.
28 posted on 09/17/2003 5:00:07 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: daniel boob
its cojones. but keep on my brother and right on for Perry!
29 posted on 09/17/2003 5:13:38 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (from tomasUSMC FIGHT FOR THE LAND OF THE FREE AND HOME OF THE BRAVE)
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To: JeanS
If that is true...then Saudi Arabia is every bit as guilty as Iraq perhaps more so as they spend the most amount of money nuetering our political leaders and the institutions and agencies run by them

From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime."

President GW Bush

30 posted on 09/17/2003 5:29:45 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: alnick
There was an airplane fuselage (possibly a 707) there that was photographed numerous times by satellite. Some Iraqi defectors told U.S. officials that foreign terrorists used the fuselage to train for hijacking missions. Marines destroyed the base during the war and claimed that many non-Iraqi fighters were killed. The information about Salman Pak obtained by the Marines after the base was destroyed has not been released. Until this information is made public it is not true to say that Salman Pak is not evidence of a Saddam link with 9-11.
31 posted on 09/17/2003 5:31:20 PM PDT by texasmountainman
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To: WL-law
So why would Bush state there was 'no' evidence, a la Janet Reno?

At this point, unless they have proof positive, it's best to say they have no direct evidence. Why hand Dems another rock to throw at them. While we may speculate all we want, that is something they have to be careful about. Look at all the trouble they are having over stuff we have much greater proof of...

32 posted on 09/17/2003 6:00:18 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: piasa
There is strong evidence linking the 1993 WTC attack to Saddam (the attempted murder of 10,000 Americans. And there are indications of links between the WTC 1993 folks and the WTC 2001 people. That's close enough for me to say Saddam was "probably" involved.
33 posted on 09/17/2003 6:29:09 PM PDT by cookcounty
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To: Az Joe
The Rats are in a desperate attempt to say that Bush lied because he mentioned Al Qaeda, 9/11 and Iraq in the same speech.

Pathetic.

And sadly they will probably succeed in convincing many among the ignorant masses in their voter base.

34 posted on 09/17/2003 7:11:18 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: ex-snook
Maybe he should tell that to Rumsfeld-Rice who keeps saying we are in Iraq because we don't want another 9/11 here.

Go back and read the article again.
Nowhere did Bush contradict anything Rumsfeld-Rice said.

Just because Saddam is known to have supported terrorism doesn't mean we know he was behind 9/11.

35 posted on 09/17/2003 7:18:09 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
The afternoon radio guy was pounding on this ...but the left has maintained there is No connection between al Quaeda and Iraq....
36 posted on 09/17/2003 7:20:31 PM PDT by woofie
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To: cookcounty
I agree, as I don't need to know if al Qaeda had direct orders from Hussein or not to advocate the invasion of Iraq. I've been all for nailing Hussein's regime (among others) since the Gulf War, primarily because I think US credibility is important to prevent our enemies from assuming they can strike at will and never have to pay for it. My brother's been inside Iraq's indian country through the 90s taking pics and so on for the gov enough to know they have WMD and are not adverse to hiding it inside or outside Iraq, so I am sufficiently convinced on that account that nothing the press or even the president could say would convince me that Iraq doesn't have WMD, WMD capability, or WMD programs.

But there isn't any amount of info which will convince the press, short of finding an order to Atta with Hussein's signature on it in his very own blood. (They would simply claim it is a forgery.) Even than, I doubt the press will not quit their mantra that Hussein wasn't involved in 911 or the later attacks like the anthrax, any more than they have quit their mantra that Bush said Iraq bought yellowcake in Niger... they don't care that Bush never said it, or that the UK still stands by their assertion Iraq did try to purchase uranium in Africa, or that Iraq had already purchased uranium from Niger in the past- the press only needs to keep repeating their false claims against the war and Bush until people come to accept it.

Bush doesn't have the level of proof neccessary for the press' standards to say that Hussein actually ordered the attacks. We do have good reason to assume Iraq knew in advance there were going to be attacks because of what Iraq put in its state-run press before 911, but Iraq's knowledge may stem from Iraqi intel on al Qaeda rather than bin Laden asking Hussein for permission to pull it off. We do know Iraqi intel officials did meet with bin Laden, that bin Laden went to Iraq, that Zarqawi did as well, that Iraqi officials went to Afghanistan and to Sudan to meet with al Qaeda leaders, that an Iraqi was involved in one of the Malaysia meetings with the hijackers, that Iraq did carry out an act of war against the uS when it tried to assassinate Bush 1, that Iraq shared bioweapons info with Zarqawi's group, that Iraqi supergun plans ended up in Afghan al qaeda hands, that Zarqawis Milan terrorist group did recruit fighters to fight the US in Iraq, that Iraq was running funds to Lebanese banks which ended up in terrorist's hands, that Iraq did bribe western and UN officials as well as journalists, that an Iraqi diplomat was involved in the murder of a US Green Beret in the Philippines, that Iraq has close ties to the same Philippines terror groups al Qaeda is tied with, that Iraq had numerous front companies smuggling weapons and supplies and people worldwide, that it had set up many "charitable" front groups dedicated to lobbying for it and influencing US officials, that Iraq did train some al Qaeda people at Salman Pak, that Iraq had indeed ordered the assassinations of many people worldwide, including people in the uS and Americans, that Atta was in Prague as was the Iraqi al Ani, that Iraqi agents were caught by the Germans scouting US bases near Heidelberg, and much, much more.

But we cannot yet prove beyond any doubt that the 9/11 attacks specifically took place on Hussein's orders, or that he ever issued such orders in a way we could verify, on paper or electronically- al Qaeda is difficult to penetrate and Saddam isn't talking, so those details may never be available, and everything may have been coordinated through fronts and aliases rather than by the book, making proof scarce. Bush simply can't say Iraq ordered it- al Qaeda may have been supported by both Iraq and Iran for all we know on that attack, or maybe Iraq paid them to do a different one, or perhaps al Qaeda just went on their own while Iraq cheered. The attacks on 911 likely would have occured whether Hussein ordered them or not.

(The anthrax attacks may be another matter entirely as al Qaeda may have needed Iraqi permission to acquire the anthrax, but Atta certainly didn't need Iraq's OK to ram a building with a passenger jet.)

But at this time, we cannot say for certain just why Atta met with al Ani. While we know Atta was in Prague when al Ani was there, and the Czechs shared more intel complete with photos so we hear, the US may yet be bound to maintain discretion on intel provided by a foreign country, just as the UK was bound by its treaties to be discrete with passing on intel other countries gave to UK intel agencies on Niger and Iraq.

Because of treaties with such countries, because informants may be damaged, or because foreign intel may not be backed up substantially by CIA or FBI intel, the US cannot simply issue statements about such foreign intel "as fact," even if it is fact. Bush caught hell for mentioning intel on Iraq's interest in Niger's uranium from Great Britain in his SOTU speech, for example. The intel may have been 100% correct, but the intel depended on UK info acquired from various sources and had not been or could not be doublechecked by the CIA, which only had one document of questionable origins passsed on to it. Maybe this is because the UK couldn't reveal enough of its sources for security reasons, leaving the CIA with nothing to go on but the UK's word, or because the CIA simply doesn't have its own people inside al Qaeda or Niger to acquire its own intel.

A president has to be much more careful with his words, and conservative with the proof, than we do as private citizens.

37 posted on 09/17/2003 7:46:39 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Sabertooth
I went looking for the treaty you mentioned, but I'd need some help to narrow it down. The U.N. charter gives broad but vague authority to the organization and there are various international arms control treaties which may have some connection with the U.N.
38 posted on 09/17/2003 8:24:18 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: JeanS
I don't know about anyone else but I was under the impression that Bush had been saying all along that Saddam WAS involved in the 9/11 attacks.
I remember at one point his saying that Saddam would have used nuclear material in those planes if he could have.

This denial disturbs the heck out of me.

Buzz
40 posted on 09/18/2003 11:42:32 AM PDT by Buzzcook
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