Texas family sues over "under God" reference in pledge - sues congress, Bush, more

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[My back yard]

Stupid parent wanting to sue. He's an idiot. but so is this substitute teacher imo.

She has no right to make the child feel less American for not wanting to say 'under God'. It is people like her that are aiding the problem on the other side. The whole point is that I may say it 'under God', but you don't have to! Since the majority of people are christians in this country, they should be allowed to express their christianity without fear of a governement penalty for it.

If any given community is predominatly christian, they should be allowed to post the ten commandments if they wish, in a courthouse, schoolyard, park or anywhere else their children might go. But if you are athiest, you shouldn't have to suffer a county employee's penalty either, for not participating in a prayer, or the words 'under God'.

I'm almost suspecting this substitute is working for the side of the American Athiests Assoc.

[MEGoody]

So you are saying this is an artifact of common convention, not an endorsement of religion? (just kidding)

[TheOtherOne]

I am fully surprised that that guy hasn't recieved a visit from the guys with the hoods as yet

God loves you too.

[My back yard]

Yeah, what yo said. Or (see my post 41) she works for the other guys?

[MineralMan]

"that is to fight for our faith and to use force to expel people like the guy in Texas. "

Right...sheesh! And while we're at it, expel all the Quakers, Mennonites, and Jehovah's Witnesses too, right? All of those refuse to take oaths.

I'm afraid you're way off base here.

[Eva]

You are right the One World Socialist Fascists are determined to destroy our democratic capitalist system by degrading our Judeo-Christian moral underpinnings. The fascist left know that the only way to convince the people to subjugate their free-will to the government elite is by convincing them that the gov't is the only one who can take care of them and answer their prayers, so to speak.

It is very difficult to subjugate a people who answer to a higher authority than the state. Judeo/Christian religion is anathema to socialist fascism, so they are working over time to try to replace traditional religion with the humanist cult of the environment. We are going to have to work overtime to stop them.

[GeekDejure]

The Pledge of Allegiance is an oath. That's plain as day. I say it proudly and frequently. I do not, however, use the words "under God" in that oath. Other Americans cannot, in good conscience, say the Pledge at all, since they believe that Jesus' words prohibit all such oaths.

Oak Hay . . . "I pledge allegiance to the Flag, and to the Republic for which it stands . . ." Hence the pledge is NOT to the government, but to the Flag and the Republic !!! But wait just a minute . . . has not this once free Republic ceased to be a Republic ??? . Seems to me that it is now a Democracy and no longer a Republic !!!

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[MineralMan]

"Oak Hay . . . "I pledge allegiance to the Flag, and to the Republic for which it stands . . ." Hence the pledge is NOT to the government, but to the Flag and the Republic !!! But wait just a minute . . . has not this once free Republic ceased to be a Republic ??? . Seems to me that it is now a Democracy and no longer a Republic !!!

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Nope. It is still a Republic.

[mathluv]

It does say substitute teacher. He/she may not be aware of the new state law. NO STUDENT is required to say the pledge. They may sit/stand while others do. Having observed this in the classroom, as a substitute teacher, none of the other students have a problem with this. One child even whispered to me that it was religious for this child to not say the pledge. It really does not matter to me, personally. The law allows non-participation.

[al_c]

More lunacy from California. Uh, er never mind......

He probably moved here from Kalifornia.

[mathluv]

Abilene is home to Dyess Air Force Base. There are also a lot of hispanics in the area. For it to go to this extent, I would like to know why the family is so upset. Were they looking for an excuse to sue over this?

[Tired of Taxes]

Nowhere does the article state the girl's or her family's other beliefs. Maybe they're not even atheists. It also doesn't state their political positions. For all you know, they might be conservative on every other issue.

[al_c]

Damn straight!! And that was the orignation and original intent of the pledge when it was written by a well known socialist.

B.S. It's a pledge to our flag and our nation, not our nation's goverment. Would you mind telling us which part(s) of the pledge you think is/are aimed toward our government?

[Melas]

Think you can make me? Sorry Pal, but I served this country and I have every right to be here. If you want me out, I'll give you directions. Bring friends.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

And if a public school teacher told my 11 year-old that she had no right to live in America I would file suit as well.

Would you sue Congress and President Bush?

[MineralMan]

"Think you can make me? Sorry Pal, but I served this country and I have every right to be here. If you want me out, I'll give you directions. Bring friends."

So did I. Let me know if Mr. Patriot takes you up on your offer. I'll stand beside you.

[Melas]

Several things. First of all, why the hell is President Bush named in the suit? I've even thought it over for a few minutes to make sure I didn't miss anything, and nope, I still can't think of a good reason to name the President in the suit.

Why congress? Read above.

As an atheist, this is just silly. It's a nuisance suit.

However, the parent should have rode the school to ensure that the substitute never substituted again. That was a totally uncalled for verbal attack on an 11 year old girl by an adult. ...but the sub isn't named on the suit? This smacks of agenda.

Now back to countering jerks who claim I have no right to be here.

[HoustonCurmudgeon]

I>I have no idea. Personally, I would have gone to the Principal of the school, then the School Board, and pointed out the law in this matter. I would give them a chance to clarify their policies and would have insisted that all teachers, regular and substitute, be instructed in that law. If rebuffed by those, then I might consider a lawsuit, as a parent, but only to force the school to recognize that nobody may be forced to say the Pledge of Allegiance. That's already been decided, way back in 1948.

Just for your information, Texas has a new law that requires the US and Texas pledge be said every day in school and that a moment of silence be included. The same law makes it very clear that one need not, and should never be forced, to be involved.

The teacher was wrong, the kid probably coached to push the issue, and the parents, asses.

[Melas]

I just noticed, he signed up today. I doubt we'll see another post by him.