Michigan Militia and Landowner Vow Armed Defense of Property

Grand Rapids Press ^ | 9/17/03

[countrydummy]

You are an insult Sir, to the human race, much less the American people!

[GrandEagle]

nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Maybe I missed something in the writings here but I did not notice where the government was taking his property for public use.

[AdamSelene235]

Maybe I missed something in the writings here but I did not notice where the government was taking his property for public use.

Dictating the terms of use is a regulatory taking.

Would you argue you "owned" your shoes if you were not allowed to put them on and had to pay $25 a year to keep them from being seized?

[GrandEagle]

Dictating the terms of use is a regulatory taking.
Again I will not argue that the mans cause is just.
Under your logic the constitution can mean absolutely anything that anyone wants it to. That is the current school of thought that I am trying to fight with my legislators.
The constitution is a list of the authority that we gave to the FEDERAL government. Included in that is a few things that we prohibited the states from doing.

[countrydummy]

Actually, the founders took the position that we should obey JUST laws, not unjust, oppressive, or illegal laws.

Exactly!

[agitator]

Oh goody. Another property rights thread.

Let the bootlicking begin...

[AdamSelene235]

The constitution is a list of the authority that we gave to the FEDERAL government.

Nope.

Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

[Stew Padasso]

"With people like this are representing RKBA, it's no wonder the gun grabbers have so many successes."

Actually there have been a number of RKBA wins lately. And ask Al Gore about the pro-RKBA vote in his home state of Tenn. and how it impacted the 2000 election.

[GrandEagle]

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Back to government class for you.
This country was founded by people who believed that we were created beings and as such endowed by our creator with all rights.
Understanding the need for a government, but also the need to restrict that government they came together and agreed between themselves what authority that government should have. They listed that authority that "we the people" granted that govenment in the Constitution. The Federal government has ONLY the authority that we have granted it in the Constitution and The powers not deligated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, as you pointed out a few listed in amendment 14 are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
I suggest that you try reading the Federalist papers and the Anti-Federalist papers for starters. There are many other documents containing writings of the founding era that may be helpful.
On this subject both the people for AND in opposition of the proposed constitution agreed.

[Stew Padasso]

"Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner, folks!"

Would you consider this an RKBA winner?

"The President supports the current law, and he supports reauthorization of the current law." - Click here to see a video of Ari Fleischer discussing the AW Ban.  Right click and save target as

[kingu]

Later Township attorney James Murray said, "No township or city in the state would allow the sandwiching of a manufactured house on an already nonconforming structure under zoning." Meaning that it was not the additions that were objected to, but the original "nonconforming structures" which had been grandfathered in.

A home which is exempt under the grandfather exception becomes subject to the law when it is modified. IE: If I had a sod house before the city was founded, it would not be subject to zoning laws until I tried to make modifications which require a permit. At that time, I would be required to update the home to current zoning regulations.

Looking at the photo you included in your posting, I can't think of a place in the country that would permit it.

[countrydummy]

You just don't get it do you? The man is simply trying to add on to his home and that of his daughter's. The best way he can, I imagine. He put those mobile homes on as additions!

Zoning laws are evil! They are about control and power! And that my friend, is not what the Constitution is about! Maybe you should have read the federalist papers more!

[AdamSelene235]

The Federal government has ONLY the authority that we have granted it in the Constitution

LOL, which includes the power to conduct warantless searches as long as they are "reasonable" (see the Terry doctrine), hold people without trial (so long as the case is not deemed "criminal"), quarter troops in people's homes (in a manner proscribed by law), use treaty powers to acquire local police powers over burning issues such as duck hunting and wetlands regulation, Hell even raising corn on your own land to feed your own hogs is considered "interstate" commmerce and therefore subject to the whims of Congress.

I suggest that you try reading the Federalist papers and the Anti-Federalist papers for starters.

The Federalist papers were nothing but propaganda to disguise the true nature of the Founding Lawyers nationalist (not Federalist) ambitions. Why do you think they shut down newspapers which printed anti-Federalist views? Rhode Island was blockaded and literally held at gunpoint to force her signature. Many revolutionaries such as Patrick Henry refused to attend the Con Con out of disgust.

[Chad Fairbanks]

If things proceed toward showdown Thursday, Hellstrom said she is making plans of her own.

"We're having a kegger. You might as well enjoy the show."

In other words she's an arrogant nosy b**ch

[WhiteGuy]

"he is just doing what every property owner has every right to do"

Beware the "patriot act"

[Stew Padasso]

"Don't give it to him, just give him a daisy cutter and be done with it."

Why don't you go down there and handle the trash, tough guy?

[Stew Padasso]

"In other words she's an arrogant nosy b**ch"

These worms need to understand that dirty tricks and government harrassment can work both ways. Someone might take the opportunity to look into her history, lifestyle etc. Maybe there is some sh*t floating in her toilet?

[Chad Fairbanks]

Could be. I hope she also realizes that if they burn this guy out (which seems to be S.O.P.) it's possible that HER property might be caught in the conflagration...

[Stew Padasso]

It'll be worth it to get rid of that trailer park trash. </sarcasm>