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Michigan Militia and Landowner Vow Armed Defense of Property
Grand Rapids Press ^ | 9/17/03

Posted on 09/17/2003 8:54:30 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar

Landowner, militia vow armed defense of property

Wednesday, September 17, 2003By Ted Roelofs
The Grand Rapids Press


HORTON BAY -- On the surface, Lyle Barkley hardly seems the type to provoke an armed standoff.

At 55, the silver-haired, grandfatherly Charlevoix County excavator says he never has been in real trouble with the law. He does not advocate violence.

But as he leans by a sign on his property that says "Honk For Your Constitutional Rights," it becomes clear Barkley is ready for a fight.

"I don't want no bloodshed unless they shoot the first shot," Barkley said. "All I'm doing is standing up for my rights."

As if to underscore the point, Barkley stands just a few feet from a 6-foot-deep trench he dug on the perimeter of his land in the hill country about 10 miles southeast of Charlevoix.

Barkley says armed men from across the country are ready to occupy that trench to defend him, as he approaches a Thursday court deadline to remove three mobile homes he installed on his land.

In April, District Judge Richard May found that Barkley violated the zoning laws of Bay Township when he brought in the homes without permits. May reaffirmed that ruling Tuesday afternoon, denying a petition by Barkley to rescind his order.

The case has drawn widespread interest from local media outlets, not to mention radio talk shows from Arizona to Texas to Washington.

It also has attracted the scrutiny of patriot and anti-government groups, including a Colorado-based organization that threatens to send 600 armed members to protect Barkley.

Denver resident Rick Stanley, founder of the Second American Revolution Militia Mutual Defense Pact, vowed Barkley will not stand alone.

"They have subverted the intentions of what our forefathers say our government should be," he said. "We have a fascist tyranny.

"I call it the police state of America, and we are going to stop it one way or another," Stanley said.

On his Web site, Stanley warned about the consequences of the standoff with Newaygo County resident Scott Woodring, killed by state police in July after authorities tried to serve him with an arrest warrant that accused him of trying to solicit sex from 15-year-old girls.

Stanley said he got involved in the dispute when he was contacted by Barkley, a member of his group.

A statement faxed to The Press quotes Norman Olson, the self-described senior adviser to the Michigan Militia, saying the dispute "stinks of crooked politics, corruption and favors."

"I admire his spirit," Olson said of Barkley.

Charlevoix County Sheriff George Lasater said he is prepared to enforce the law. But he also said he hopes to avoid confrontation.

"We will do everything in our power and jurisdiction to make sure nobody is hurt on their side," Lasater said, adding, "the sheriff's department will do what it has to do to make sure the court orders are followed. We won't be intimidated by them."

Lasater would not say what action he might take if Barkley refuses to back down.

Township officials say they are doing nothing more than enforcing the law.

"This is a simple, blatant disregard for the law," township attorney James Murray said of Barkley's actions. "You can't just disregard ordinances."

According to the township, Barkley applied for a permit to build additions on to two mobile homes on his 4-acre property. Barkley instead moved two additional mobile units onto his property, attaching one to the mobile home in which he lives with his wife, Shirley, 50, and one to the mobile home where his daughter, Kim, 22, lives with her boyfriend and three children.

Judge May found that both homes violated building codes.

The court also found Barkley allowed people to move into another modular unit on the property without a permit.

To Barkley's way of thinking, he is just doing what every property owner has every right to do.

He has tangled with the township before. About 13 years ago, he was cited because of numerous barking dogs on his property. Barkley said he was acquitted.

About five years ago, he had a dispute over stumps he wanted to bury on his property. Barkley said that was resolved amicably.

He has had no criminal brushes with the law, felony or misdemeanor, according to state police records.

Barkley believes he is backed up in his latest dispute by his discovery that his property is "patent land," stemming from an 1871 act by President Ulysses S. Grant.

He said he has several weapons on his property, including a high-powered rifle and shotguns. He has plenty of ammunition.

"I myself am not going to be armed," Barkley said, adding he will leave that to others.

Barkley said he has had plenty of local support, including lots of honking horns in response to the sign in front of his driveway.

But standing on a deck on a bluff that overlooks Barkley's property, neighbor Carol Hellstrom said she backs the township.

"I have no sympathy for him whatsoever," Hellstrom said. "There's reasons for the laws. That's what this whole country is founded on."

Hellstrom's deck faces west, where she has a postcard view of Lake Charlevoix. But she's weary of looking down on Barkley's property, which is cluttered with old tractors, backhoes, numerous vehicles, a sizable wood pile, piles of discarded siding, old tires and rusted engines.

To her way of thinking, Barkley brought this on himself.

If things proceed toward showdown Thursday, Hellstrom said she is making plans of her own.

"We're having a kegger. You might as well enjoy the show."



© 2003 Grand Rapids Press. Used with permission


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To: Beelzebubba
BTW ....... Re: "(Stick the damn flag on a house-mounted bracket like your neighbors do!)"

How very communal.

21 posted on 09/17/2003 10:25:42 AM PDT by G.Mason (Lessons of life need not be fatal)
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To: ought-six
Actually, the founders took the position that we should obey JUST laws, not unjust, oppressive, or illegal laws
I'll agree that we are not bound to obey illegal "laws"; however, much like relieving the commander if a ship at sea, you had better be sure that you are right.
As far as "unjust" or "oppressive" laws, they built into the system the grand jury whereby those who are also under those same laws must charge you with violating the law. If the grand jury does not charge you with breaking the law it does not matter who is upset about it, the whole thing stops right there. That is the last line of defence for unjust or oppressive laws.
Picking and choosing what law you wish to obey is called anarchy; a state of things that the founders definately did not want.
The founders views were quite different between State laws and Federal laws.
22 posted on 09/17/2003 10:26:04 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: BlueLancer; aculeus; general_re; Poohbah; dighton; hellinahandcart; Constitution Day; ...
Decent cause by a complete jerk-off ping...
23 posted on 09/17/2003 10:26:53 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Barkley's property, which is cluttered with old tractors, backhoes, numerous vehicles, a sizable wood pile, piles of discarded siding, old tires and rusted engines.

Freeper? What's his handle?

24 posted on 09/17/2003 10:47:34 AM PDT by chudogg
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
If this idiot refuses to follow the laws of society just NUKE HIM!!

I am SO tired of these freaks who think they can make their own rules. Just like the idiots in Waco and Ruby Ridge (Putting on flame-proof clothing), this guy is LOOKING to pick a fight. Don't give it to him, just give him a daisy cutter and be done with it.
25 posted on 09/17/2003 10:50:43 AM PDT by A Broken Glass Republican
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To: G.Mason
BTW ....... Re: "(Stick the damn flag on a house-mounted bracket like your neighbors do!)"

How very communal.


What's your point? He voluntarily promised no flagpoles when he bought the property. What's your beef?
26 posted on 09/17/2003 10:53:11 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: xrp
Hannity is an OUTSTANDING foot soilder for Republicans...Maybe the BEST...But he's an idiot deep down. A dedicated and VERY hard working idiot, but an idiot none the less.
27 posted on 09/17/2003 10:53:18 AM PDT by A Broken Glass Republican
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To: G.Mason; xrp
And you have no damned idea what you are talking about!

I heard Hannity's show yesterday and you couldn't be more wrong. The poster you are bashing knows EXACTLY what he or she is talking about and explained himself or herself VERY well.

You're the one who has no damned idea what you're talking about. No offense intended.

28 posted on 09/17/2003 10:55:53 AM PDT by A Broken Glass Republican
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
A statement faxed to The Press quotes Norman Olson, the self-described senior adviser to the Michigan Militia, saying the dispute "stinks of crooked politics, corruption and favors."

If that's the best case Normal Olson can make, I think anybody who shows up at Barkley's trailer park will qualify for Darwin Awards.

And of course, Rick Stanley's "fascist police state" boils down to Mr. Barkley's running afoul of a group of rural good ol' boys.

With people like this are representing RKBA, it's no wonder the gun grabbers have so many successes.

29 posted on 09/17/2003 11:00:36 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Beelzebubba
What's your point? He voluntarily promised no flagpoles when he bought the property. What's your beef?

"Ah disagree wit' it! It's gotta be Un-constamashooshanal!"

Mr. Justice Scalia had something to say about these kind of arguments...

30 posted on 09/17/2003 11:02:31 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: r9etb
With people like this are representing RKBA, it's no wonder the gun grabbers have so many successes.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner, folks!

31 posted on 09/17/2003 11:03:12 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: L,TOWM
A properly dug firing trench incorporates a shooting step for a defender to step up onto.

Haven't you been watching Mail Call on the History channel?
32 posted on 09/17/2003 11:06:29 AM PDT by Chewbacca (Stay out of debt. Pay cash. When you run out of cash, stop buying things.)
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To: xrp
"Hannity was all whining, "BUT HE HAS A RIGHT TO FLY THE AMERICAN FLAG". Apparently for Mr Hannity, there are times when it is OK to violate the rule of law. "

There is

When the Law is WRONG
33 posted on 09/17/2003 11:17:42 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (If you continue to do what you've always done, you will continue to get what you've a‚i]±s got.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Absolutely incorrect.
OK... I guess I need to expound a bit. My disagreement with the gentleman is question is not his issue. My disagreement is with envoking the "constitutional right" card so-to-speak. There is nothing in the constitution that prohibits the states from zoning. It is a state or local issue.
I will agree that the founders considered property rights fundamental, but nowhere in the constitution did we authorize the federal government to get into such matters. Neither did we prohibit the states from passing such laws.
considered treason to rebel against the Crown
I agree, but also note what they said in the Declaration of Independence "...Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes;..."
I have no information at all on the gentleman discussed here other than what has been pressented here. It sounds to me that his cause is just.
I think the course of action he has chosen to seek remedy is pretty dumb.
I am actively involved (not as much as I would like to be though) with Judge Roy Moores cause. In his case, the federal order to remove the stone is prohibited by the 1st amendment therefore clearly illegal. The order given by our wimpy, wishy-washy state attorney general is disgusting, but legally binding. We will replace him at the next election.
Just as You can be defeated but still be right, you can be right and stupid.
34 posted on 09/17/2003 11:26:03 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Chewbacca
Did'nt see any reference to a firing step in the article.

Strikes me as being pretty damm typical of the average "militia" wanker:

"Hey Bubba, I cain't see nothin'."
"Thas OK, Wendall, jes hold yer gun over ya head and pull the trigger. Them gummint guys is over yonder a piece."
35 posted on 09/17/2003 11:32:19 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: A Broken Glass Republican; xrp
""I heard Hannity's show yesterday and you couldn't be more wrong. The poster you are bashing knows EXACTLY what he or she is talking about and explained himself or herself VERY well."

"You're the one who has no damned idea what you're talking about. No offense intended."

You are 100% correct.

Hannity did state what was reported.

I was incorrect in my formulation of thought, and was refering to ".......some old American Veteran who is violating his homeowner's association agreement by flying an American flag on a flagpole on his property." as stated by xrp.

In all fairness to you, xrp, and others I would apologize, and state there is more to this than the "alleged " violation of a rule.

36 posted on 09/17/2003 11:33:38 AM PDT by G.Mason (Lessons of life need not be fatal)
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To: A Broken Glass Republican; xrp
May I refer you to this? [excerpt from a previous post about Embattled ex-Marine George Andres ]

What Happened

In an interview with NewsMax, Andres explained: "I went before the board of the homeowners association four years ago and asked for permission to put the American flag on a pole, and the board gave me permission because the state of Florida had a law that was written in 1995 that said homeowners associations are prohibited from banning the flying of the American flag regardless of any rules and regulations or bylaws except for size, safety and location which must be adopted into the bylaws.

"I put the flagpole up, and seven months later a new board came in and ruled that I had violated the homeowners statutes on the flag, and I said, 'What homeowners statute?' They said the one that says that you have to fly the flag from your building. I asked them, 'Where does it say that?'

"The fact is there is nothing in the homeowners documents that say where or when and state law prohibits them from saying any such thing.

A Previous article

37 posted on 09/17/2003 11:50:10 AM PDT by G.Mason (Lessons of life need not be fatal)
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To: Beelzebubba
"What's your point? He voluntarily promised no flagpoles when he bought the property. What's your beef?"

See post # 37 and this article?

38 posted on 09/17/2003 11:59:49 AM PDT by G.Mason (Lessons of life need not be fatal)
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To: G.Mason
Thanks for the update!

I'm torn between supporting a guy who wants to fly the American Flag and knowing what it's like living around hillbillys.

I suppose the sensible thing to do is make an exception for the American Flag only (Which it looks like has already been done).
39 posted on 09/17/2003 12:08:59 PM PDT by A Broken Glass Republican
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To: GrandEagle
There is nothing in the constitution that prohibits the states from zoning.

Amendment V

........... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

40 posted on 09/17/2003 12:15:39 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Like all the jolly good fellows, I drink my whiskey clear....)
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