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To: thoughtomator
I don't see how any conservative in good conscience can support an extreme liberal over a rock-solid conservative.
If you are honestly unclear, here is the answer:
The "rock solid conservative" does not have the fundamental leadership qualities and/or communication skills and team-building ability necessary to generate sufficient support among the electorate to WIN.
From www.realclearpolitics.com:
Poll
Schwarzenegger
Bustamante
McClintock
Ueberroth
Huffington
RCP Average
31.4%
30.0%
13.4%
 7.2%
2.6%
25%
30%
18%
8%
3%
39%
29%
16%
6%
3%
25%
30%
13%
5%
3%
40%
28%
8%
7%
1%
28%
33%
12%
10%
3%
45%
29%
11%
6%
3%
22%
35%
12%
7%
3%
31%
25%
17%
8%
3%
23%
18%
5%
4%
3%
22%
25%
9%
5%
4%
42%
22%
13%
7%
7%
25%
15%
9%
4%
4%
*Republican Pollster, Simon votes reallocated to voters' second choice.

RCP Analysis (Updated 9/16):
Well, after two weeks of not much action in the California race, something big did change yesterday. We should know in less than a week whether the election will indeed be postponed until next year. Our gut feeling is the election will still be held on October 7, but that is probably not much better than a 50-50 proposition at this point.

If the election is indeed put on hold until next March there is no question it benefits Governor Davis. That is not to say Davis would be a lock to survive the recall next year, just that his chances of survival would be significantly higher. If the election still proceeds this October it's hard to predict how this turn of events will affect the outcome. We suspect a lot will depend on how the decision is reversed. Let's see how this shakes out this week.

September 15: Little has changed in this race over the last two weeks; we still feel Schwarzenegger is likely to be the next governor of California. Ueberroth bowed out as expected, and if McClintock concedes to Arnold before election day, Schwarzenegger will win easily. However, right now the odds seem to favor McClintock going the distance.

McClintock's decision will truly decide whether this becomes a cakewalk coronation for Arnold or a late-night nail-biter, a toss-up between Davis, Bustamante and Schwarzenegger for who will be the Governor. While McClintock's remaining in the race certainly keeps Bustamente's chances alive, what it really does is give Governor Davis a legitimate hope that he might be able to survive the first question on the ballot.

Though we don't put a lot of stock in any one poll the trend in the same poll is valuable in monitoring which way the electorate is leaning. While we are skeptical of the raw numbers in the most recent LA Times poll, we feel the trend from their previous poll is an accurate reflection of the voters. Schwarzenegger gaining 3%, Bustamante losing 5%, McClintock gaining 6% and Davis picking up 2% all jives with where we think the race is heading.

Bustamente's decline and Davis' small uptick makes complete sense as Democrats and independents are starting to realize Bustamente would be a disaster as Governor and Davis ultimately has a better shot at surviving the recall than Bustamente does of squeaking out a victory. The odds of a Governor Bustamente appear very slim to us, as he needs three things to happen to win. First, McClintock has to stay in until the end, probably a 50-50 proposition. Second, Davis has to lose the recall vote, we'd actually give the edge to Davis surviving if Bustamente is looking strong right before the election. And third, he obviously has to beat Arnold which we feel is 50-50 at best, even with McClintock in the race. So, you put all these together and you see why we don't expect a Governor Bustamente next year.

McClintock obviously remains the wild card and the Democrats' fervent hope is he stays strong until the very end, allowing Bustamente the chance to squeak through. Though as we mentioned above, Davis would probably survive in this scenario. However, even if McClintock stays in we still feel the the most likely scenario is effectively a race between Schwarzenegger and Davis, as a general consensus emerges that Bustamente is a loser. And the prevailing disgust with the current economic and political situation in the state places Davis at a distinct disadvantage and is ultimately why it is likely Schwarzenegger will be the next Governor of California.


240 posted on 09/17/2003 2:00:40 PM PDT by RonDog
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While we are skeptical of the raw numbers in the most recent LA Times poll..." - RealClearPolitics.com
Their skepticism in the veracity of the LA Times poll numbers appears to have been validated, from:

Los Angeles Times Caught Faking Its Pro-Democrat 'Poll'
NewsMax.com ^ | 9/17/03 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
Posted on 09/17/2003 9:38 AM PDT by kattracks

The pro-Democrat Los Angeles Times has once again been busted for faking a "poll," this time by stacking it with blacks.

"Why did the size of the unreported racial/ethnic subgroups in the latest Times Poll amount to 18%, when according to its own exit poll, blacks and Asian voters combined comprised just 10% of all voters in the last general election?" the rival Field Poll wonders.

Slate.com notes that Field makes "a powerful case" for the Times' having "wildly oversampled non-white non-Latinos" and observes, "The Times hides this flaw by failing to even report the black and Asian subgroups separately."

The excessively large number of black surveyed accounts for the bias, Field concludes, because Orientals "historically tend to be more divided in their voting preferences on partisan matters."

CLICK HERE for the rest of that thread

242 posted on 09/17/2003 2:06:10 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: RonDog
McClintock obviously remains the wild card and the Democrats' fervent hope is he stays strong until the very end, allowing Bustamente the chance to squeak through. Though as we mentioned above, Davis would probably survive in this scenario. However, even if McClintock stays in we still feel the the most likely scenario is effectively a race between Schwarzenegger and Davis, as a general consensus emerges that Bustamente is a loser. And the prevailing disgust with the current economic and political situation in the state places Davis at a distinct disadvantage and is ultimately why it is likely Schwarzenegger will be the next Governor of California.

Worth repeating. It's been obvious for weeks that Schwarzenegger is the only recall candidate running against Davis.

243 posted on 09/17/2003 2:08:47 PM PDT by EllaMinnow (#213 of the 537.)
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To: RonDog
Au contraire, he demonstrably does have the ability to win.

McClintock has actually been elected, repeatedly. Arnold has never been elected to anything. McClintock was within 3 tenths of a percent of being the ONLY Republican elected in 2002, so more than enough voters than are needed to win this particular race have already cast votes for McClintock.

McClintock's poll numbers show constant improvement, despite being drowned out by Arnoldmania. Arnold's are near or below where he started.

McClintock demonstrates the toughness needed by hanging in there in spite of the "drop-out" chorus (exclusively presented by the Arnold camp).

But most importantly, McClintock is the ONLY CONSERVATIVE in the race. Everyone else is a SOCIALIST and a LIBERAL.

Really, the Arnold campaign is all about savaging the possibility of a conservative being elected governor, which is apparently the last thing the people pulling strings in the CA GOP want.

A vote for anyone but McClintock is a vote for Socialism.

Arnold, Davis, Busty - there is no material difference between them. All of them will tax you at the first opportunity. All of them support gays and abortion and hate the 2nd Amendment. All of them want to welcome illegal immigration, despite the common knowledge that is the major source of California's trouble.

Since the Arnold camp has ZERO argument why a conservative should support him, other than "McClintock Can't Win (tm)", you guys really belong on another website.
244 posted on 09/17/2003 2:15:27 PM PDT by thoughtomator (It's time for Arnold supporters to go to a LIBERAL/LEFTIST website where they belong)
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